ERROR COIN....COULD THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT HAVE BEEN INCORRECT BY US ALL?

APA1709

I posted pictures of this coin earlier today. I received some sage advice and good comments concerning the type error, and as always, I very much appreciate ALL the experts who are willing to take the time to communicate with a novice such as me. I initially thought, and most people who responded to the post agreed, that this coin (pics attached) is a filled die error. However, after doing a little reading, specifically page 62 of the 2002 Blackbook, under the section of STRIKING ERRORS, I believe this error to be a "Die Trial Strike", also known as a die adjustment error. The blackbook describes this error as.....This type of error can occur when a press is coming to a halt with a planchet seated between the dies, when adjusting the pressure of a strike to allow for proper design relief, when setting vertical and horizontal alignment, and, most often, when a planchet is intentionally left between dies to prevent clashing of the dies while maintenance, routine or otherwise, is being performed on the press. Does anyone agree with the assessment that this may in fact be a "Die Trial Strike"? Just curious. Thanks.

coppercoins

No, and here's why.

A die trial strike would be an extremely soft strike to test the dies and the press. What remains is a coin with few details, the highest on the die being the fist to strike-up into the coin. The lowest details on the die would not strike-up on the coin. Turn this around, and that becomes the lowest details on the coin strike-up while the highest details on the coin do not. From the appearance of your coin, the ear and hair are completely struck up, which means your coin received a full pressure strike. What yours is has to be an obstructed die strike, and the only substance that typically looks like yours would be grease filling the cavities of the die. Sorry, good try but no dice.

edited to add: This image shows a die trial strike on a peace dollar. Notice how only the lowest details on the coin show up, while there's absolutely no evidence at all of the higher details on the coin. Notice also how there was not enough pressure from the strike to create the rim, also unlike your coin. Yours has the higher details, it has complete rims indicating a full strike....so it's not a trial strike.



Image courtesy Byers Numismatic Corp.

Thenewguy

Also on trial strikes the rims do not get fully formed, if at all, other then what the upset mill puts on them. This coin appears to have fully formed rims. They also tend to have little or no reeding.
TNG

coppercoins

Woops, LOL! I had just finished editing that into my response when yours showed up, TNG.

Dog97

I thought it was struck thru grease in your last thread but didn't reply because it had already been properly attributed by the time I read the thread.
Good job on doing your homework & research on it.
It's struck thru grease.

Thenewguy

LOL I though I might have been having a little memory problem there because when I went back to see if my reply posted ok and I saw your post I though hmmm I don't remember yours having the picture and part about the rims when I hit reply..lol
TNG

I also need to learn how to not type in one LONG sentence..
lol

APA1709

Thanks for squaring me away guys.....much appreciated......