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The jury is out on Attractive toning, what about UNattractive toning?

braddickbraddick Posts: 23,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
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The debate continues on whether attractive, rainbow or pastel toning should bump up a coin's grade or not (it certainly does upgrade the price!), but what of unattractive toning?
If a coin has golds/browns/grays or dark blackish toning, or the toning is blotchy but the coin is otherwise mark free with a full strike, should the overall grade be lowered due to the faulty toning?

If a Gem MS65 Morgan's grade is not adjusted for attractive toning (only the price is) should ugly toning lower the grade (it already lowers the price)?

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  • KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723
    If people used your idea there would be no more original coins left.
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  • barberloverbarberlover Posts: 2,228 ✭✭
    no, the technical grade of a coin should only be affected by the amount of wear on a coin grading about good thru au 58, and on surface marks and strike on coins grading m.s. 60 thru m.s. 70 [that doesn't include color designation on the 3 catagoies of miny state copper.
    The President claims he didn't lie about taxes for those earning less then $250,000 a year with public mandated health insurance yet his own justice department has said they will use the right of the government to tax when the states appeals go to court.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMHO, eye appeal is nice but it should have no bearing on the grade of the coin. I think all coins should be graded on their absolute condition and then let the buyer or seller set the premium for eye appeal. I've seen far too many MS-63's in MS-65 holders based on eye appeal. It's wrong...wrong...wrong!

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  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I agree with all of you. It's strange though, because sometimes a coin is linked here and the grade slammed due to unattractive toning (and not any other merits of the coin). The grade may well be off, but toning shouldn't be the deciding factor, in my opinion.

    peacockcoins

  • mbcoinmbcoin Posts: 107 ✭✭
    Hey pat how is it going. I thought about you when I bought this blue beast. What do ya Think?
    Mike
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,976 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow! Pretty freakin amazing!

    peacockcoins

  • sinin1sinin1 Posts: 7,500 ✭
    mbcoin that is amazing color for a coin from the 21st century. Was it stored somewhere special for many years?
  • DracoDraco Posts: 512 ✭
    I'm probably alone here, but I don't like toning. . .period. Toning is hard to avoid on many older coins, but I treat it like a disease on modern coins.

    Bottom line is that toning is the product of a chemical reaction between the coin and whatever contamination it has encountered and I believe that many of the so called "Monster-Toned" coins I've seen were deliberately altered because so many tone lovers place such a premium on these coins. I would imagine that there are many, many ways to purposely contaminate a coin in such a way as to cause the kind of discoloration I've seen.

    I have a 1986 proof silver eagle in a PCGS holder with toning near the date. It irritates me to no end and I'm sure that some moron at PCGS is the cause of the tarnish. Maybe he/she coughed on it. . .ate their lunch over it. . .did a taste test on it. . whatever. I can only say that I will never, ever submit a proof coin to PCGS again (at least not one that came to me in original US Mint packaging).

    Feels good to get that off my chest. image
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    Pat:

    I think toning should remain as a add-on for nice toning and a neutral for all other. In certain cases toning doesn't add much, and if anything detracts from a coin. Below is a 1951D Franklin in MS66FBL. A very lofty grade with only 18 such pieces graded the last time I looked. If you were to take a point away from this piece due to it's unfortunate grading, people might be tempted to dip it, then the coin would probably be ruined. Let's leave well enough alone - the world of coins needs their plain janes too image

    Frank

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  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    I do understand atractive toning, however, I like mine white and will pass on coins if they have too much tone-color-or what ever. I do prefer white, but think coins should be left alone. Don't doctor coins, and don't clean them either. The coin should be what it is. Many times trying to make it better makes it garbage.

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

  • mbcoinmbcoin Posts: 107 ✭✭
    Pat,
    I believe that one will go 67 or 8. I haven't decided NGC or PCGS yet I could care less about the grade. These pure silvers
    do tone fast. I also bought this one at the show so you guys that hate tone please keep your eyes closed. It just may blind you.
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    Grading should be based on objective standards. There is no way to standardize the subjective and emotional evaluation of toning.
    The value added/subtracted for toning should be UP TO THE MARKET, NOT THE GRADING SERVICES.
    A 6 is a 6 is a 6. image

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