Were any business strike Ike $1s graded MS 67 this past year?

misterR

Just wondering if anyone knows.

fantasiize

misterR,

Here are (what I believe to be) the new MS67 Business Strike Ikes graded, since Jan, 2002:
1 71d
2 76pt2
1 76dt2
1 77p

misterR

Thanks for the information. Would you have the numbers for past years? I feel that there were lots more graded 67 in the past? Do you think that is true?

keithdagen

There was a later date (77 P or D, or 78 P or D) made by a local dealer and sold on E-Bay in real early 2002.

misterR

Whatever happened to the Ike collectors club? Did the club ever get off the ground?

fantasiize

misterR,

Here is what I have for the MS67 Business Strike Ikes:

OCT 1998
4 71d
3 73d
4 74d
6 76dt2
2 77p
2 77d
4 78p
1 78d
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26 TOTAL

JAN 2000
6 71d
2 72d
6 73d
4 74d
1 76pt2
1 76dt1
12 76dt2
3 77p
3 77d
4 78p
2 78d
-------
44 TOTAL

JAN 2001
7 71d
2 72d
6 73d
6 74d
2 76pt2
2 76dt1
16 76dt2
3 77p
3 77d
4 78p
2 78d
-------
53 TOTAL

JAN 2002
10 71d
2 72d
8 73d
7 74d
4 76pt2
2 76dt1
19 76dt2
3 77p
3 77p
5 78p
1 78d
-------
64 TOTAL

TODAY
11 71d
2 72d
8 73d
7 74d
6 76pt2
2 76dt1
20 76dt2
4 77p
3 77d
5 78p
1 78d
-------
69 TOTAL

itsnotjustme

I tried to make one but failed. MS66 1978-P

misterR

Thanks fantasiize, it really was a tough year to make a 67 business strike Ike. Only 5 or 6 for entire year. About twice as many were graded 67 in each of previous 5 or 6 years that you gave stats on (if I did the math correctly). Bet the numbers of 64s and 65s really swelled. If I had pop reports for last 10 years or so I'd like to do some kind of table showing total number of Ikes graded and grades assigned. Think would really tell a story of grade tightening. FYI I submitted at least 200 business strike Ikes this past year with 0 67s.

fantasiize

Ok, let's try this:

OCT 1998 - total Ikes graded - 17,370
JAN 2000 - total Ikes graded - 21,970 25.4% increase in Ikes graded, 69.2% increase in MS67 Ikes graded from the previous year and 3 months
JAN 2001 - total Ikes graded - 26,251 20.5% increase in Ikes graded, 20.5% increase in MS67 Ikes graded from the previous year
JAN 2002 - total Ikes graded - 30,763 17.2% increase in Ikes graded, 20.8% increase in MS67 Ikes graded from the previous year
JAN 2003 - don't know how many are graded BUT 7.8% increase in MS67 Ikes graded from the previous year

misterR

Thanks for the numbers. I'll have to study them some. What conclusions do you come up with?

misterR

Using the numbers I was given, and rounding off, here is what I came up with: 2300 business strike Ikes graded in 98, 9 made 67; 2300 graded in 99, 9 made 67; 4280 graded in 2000, 9 made 67; 4500 graded in 2001, 11 made 67, ???? graded in 2002, 5 made 67. It's obvious, submissions are up, grades are down. Point is made.

fantasiize

My quick (and easy) conclusions:
1. MS67 clad Ikes are hard to make (less than 0.19%, using 69 out of about at least 35,000 estimate graded)
2. MS67 early year (71 - 74) p mint clad Ikes are nearly impossible as there are none graded (and I have many times jokingly said that I am always looking for a 72p T2 in MS67)
3. the "screws may be tightened" with PCGS (less than 8% graded in the past year, which is the worst year to date) OR quality material not readily available

That's all for now, will also look at the numbers a little more myself.

cladking

The Ike collectors club was organized and operated by The Kennedy Center briefly
during the early 90's. There was a small but entertaining newsletter issued for a
year or two before they quit because there weren't many members and it wasn't
growing.

misterR

Cladking-about a year ago a group of Ike enthusiasists from these boards were discussing starting a club or having a website? I think they decided on something like the "I like Ike" club? Did anything ever come of that?

jom

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I have most of those newsletters still....hidden away somewhere. Jim Barlow did a real good job with it. He still sells Ikes/Kennedy's I think...Braddick has had some dealings with him recently I'm sure.

Just to let you know: I bought many coins of my raw set of Kennedy's thru Jim...good guy.

jom

PS: I tried to find some old PCGS data to no avail...I thought maybe there was some info in the old KICS newsletter...nope.

cladking

I missed the threads about starting an Ike club here. It does sound interesting.

fantasiize

Out of curiosity, does anyone have the comparable Morgan and/or Peace data for $s graded in MS67 ?

Maybe dates/mm/qty in Jan 2000, Jan 2001, and Jan 2002 ?