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Do you buy a stock when it's at a 52 week high...

Or do you pass, hoping for that pullback only to watch it continue reaching new highs after that. Or maybe you buy it and it goes down. I know I've done both, sure would be nice to be able to predict the future.

There were some great prices at the recent auctions, and nice coins on the bourse are as hard to find as ever. There have been comments here that a lot of coins were overpriced and I can hear the wallets slamming shut all the way over here. Overpriced compared to what they were a year or two ago, perhaps. Overpriced if this market continues to roll, maybe not.

As always selectivity is key. I won't say that Proof-70 Lincoln Cents with spots for 30K are a risk worth taking, but if AU Bust Halves are up $70 from nearly a year ago, is it the smart thing to walk away? Maybe they will cost another $70 in the near future, who knows. It doesn't take much.

I think we've all been spoiled with a soft coin market over the past ten years, but the times seem to be a changin'. I'm not sure what my point is, if you see one in here somewhere feel free to let me know. image

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Don't raise your prices yet I still need a few coins.
  • No worries J.S., we're not jacking up prices.... yet. image It is funny though that people won't touch certain coins of ours that truly are nice because they're 20% over Graysheet, yet the same same coin quality for quality goes for 50-100% more in an auction. Hmmm....
  • The rare coin market is really starting to heat up. I saw an 1896 PCGS PR67 DCAM 25c that I needed in the Heritage Fun Auction. It was really nice with great eye appeal. I expected to see it go for at most $6000 and it went for $8000. Along with the 1892 and 1898 the 1896 is one of the more common DCAM dates for Barber quarters. This shows that proof type is not getting any cheaper.

    The bad news is that it will cost me a little more to finish my set. The good news is that my coins are worth a little more than when I bought them.
  • originalisbestoriginalisbest Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭✭
    Hey Jon, I'm just glad I got the 1909-S Indian from you when you had it available for me!

    You are right as far as I'm concerned - if you are after a particular piece and one presents itself - one which you've looked for for a long time and the price is "reasonable" (if not bargain-basement) - and you are pretty sure of your collecting goals (you want to own it one day eventually) - why not get it now if you can afford it?

    There, are those enough conditions? image
  • stmanstman Posts: 11,352 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>It is funny though that people won't touch certain coins of ours that truly are nice because they're 20% over Graysheet, >>



    Well close anywayimage But I do understand your point. I don't know about the auctions, but I do know many people will say they want high quality "original" coins but don't want to pay over greysheet for them. They want to compare it to something they saw on Ebay which is not the whole market. Myself I have learned over the years if there is something I really love and can afford it I'll buy it.

    And I know I may overpay to some folks standards, but I get the coin I want. And I do not worry about the investment part. I do have some great coins though.
    Please... Save The Stories, Just Answer My Questions, And Tell Me How Much!!!!!
  • They want to compare it to something they saw on Ebay which is not the whole market.

    Stman: You are wise beyond your years. image


    Hey Jon, I'm just glad I got the 1909-S Indian from you when you had it available for me!

    Originalisbest: Hard to go wrong with key dates. If anything, nice circulated keys are a great bet for the long term. Slow and steady wins the race. Nice user ID by the way, keep spreading the good word!
  • michaelmichael Posts: 9,524 ✭✭
    tonelover you make some really good points!! i think many have been spoiled the last 10 years
    and i can remember back in the mid 1990's even 97 where there was a great coin on the bourse that a dealer wanted strong money for........ by the end of the show more often than not it was still available for less and still would not sell

    and if you might sell it you got it on memo for 30 days!

    not anymore

    or even in the very late 1990's 2000 where there was a monster coin for sale but at a big premium and today you look back and the price was cheap!
    but at the time if you were third in line you still got it as many would look at the coin and love it but waited for a better price or had to think about it and if you walked up even one week after the fact you still got it!!!!! as many were still thinking about the price and seeing if it would come down!

    not so today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    also the last year at the shows when coins were bringing big money at auction some not all but you could still buy better coins on the bourse for 10 to 50% less than their twins bruoght at auction and the coins were still better looks and quality wise

    in general not so at the current fun show!!!

    sincerely michael


  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,011 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I buy on week 52 if the stock is going to do the old 10x on the following Monday!!!!! (LOL)
    Doug
  • Some of the truely rare coins had nice bumps in prices and I see that as justified, but the proof lincolns is like investing in ENRON as far as I'm concerned with the prices they recieved at FUN.

    Got Morgan?
  • I'm happy to hear that the "live" auctions and bourse floors have been bringing great prices and that the Numismatic market seems to be hot. However, are you all sure that this action is as it appears? How final are these winning bid or "sale" transactions? Could some of these be "dealer to dealer" trades with various "back out" or return privileges? (i.e. if the dealer can't find a bigger buyer can the coin go back?)

    Judging from Ebay would you say that the market is hot? Many auctions on Ebay are going without bids and reserves are routinely NOT hit. Why so if the market is so hot? One board member recently spoke of a 30% success rate selling on Ebay. Is that a "hot market?" image

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  • critocrito Posts: 1,735
    Do you buy a stock when it's at a 52 week high... Or do you pass, hoping for that pullback only to watch it continue reaching new highs after that. Or maybe you buy it and it goes down. I know I've done both, sure would be nice to be able to predict the future.


    That depends. If the move up is based on some fundamental change (in the stock, it's industry or the market as a whole), jump in and play the momentum. If it's moving up based on hype and insider manipulation, better to watch the suckers get milked dry from the sidelines image
  • While things appear to be heating up, it still seems selective and tentative to me.

    Individual, monster coins have certainly been drawing increasing and intense interest, which says to me that people at least now genuinely believe the cost of owning something very desireable is going up and not down. It does not appear to be at all true yet that this confidence has spread to the rest of the coin market, though.

    Those more experienced than I and who have been around longer may wish to comment, about whether the rapid bidding-up of key dates and particularly high-quality coins has historically been a precursor of any market pattern in particular.

    I'm at src53's house this morning, by the way, waiting for him to get out of the shower so we can go to on over to FUN! I'll let you know what's going on later!
  • ZerbeZerbe Posts: 587 ✭✭
    HI Jon, I have heard so many people talking of the overpriced coins at the Fun auctions, which I believe is true in many cases. I can only relate to a couple of coins I was tracking, which sold well below what I thought they would go for. The three coins I tracked were all from the B&M auction. Number one is the 1910 PCGS PR66 $2.5; sold, with BP==$14,950. I had figured $16K-$18K. Number two is the 1904 PCGS $20 in PR64 Cam. Sold with BP for $21,850 ; I had though it would go for $$23,000--$26,000. Number three, which really shocked me, was the 1895 PCGS PR67 DCAM Morgan; sold with BP for $62,100. My pre sale estimate was $80,000--$85,000.
    I did not see these coins in person, so I can only go by the auction scans and descriptions, but all three coins seemed to be 'all there'.
    Do you think these three coins sold low ?? Zerbe
  • seems like whatever stock I buy, it tanks. I am taking a beating on Intel.


    theFonz
  • critocrito Posts: 1,735
    Intel's a good company, but I feel your pain image The real damage the Enrons and MCIs do is taking investment dollars away from good companies. I've yet to see any fundamental change in the way Wall Street conducts it's business. Funny how the politicians didn't pass any laws and aren't using "finance reform" as a platform for their campaigns. Guess that's because we already have the laws and regulations. They just weren't enforced, for some reason (couldn't be political corruption though... nah, that's not it, can't be.)
  • Intel = great company

    Intel = horrible stock

    INTC's fundamentals are poor at best. D o not look for any significant appreciation for at least the next 3-4 years. Go back and study the last major chip cycle, not talking about price but demand, and you will see the down turn was very nasty. I am surprised it has held so well but would not be surprised to see $8/share

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