Toning Experts -- Need Advice on Ebay Toned Peace
FrattLaw
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Okay, it's been slow going in finding original/toned Peace dollars and I need to know what you guys think of this 28-P Peace. I hate buying raw via Ebay but these toned things are hard to find.
Linky
Original toning?
Attractive toning?
MS63?
Are you familiar with the seller?
Thanks
Michael
Linky
Original toning?
Attractive toning?
MS63?
Are you familiar with the seller?
Thanks
Michael
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Dunno. Looks OK to me.
Attractive toning?
I think so.
MS63?
I have no freekin' clue- I hate grading Peace dollars. Since, as you pointed out, it's raw, I wouldn't hold my breath. I wouldn't bid more than MS60 money on a raw coin, personally. But then, I probably wouldn't win, bidding MS60 money. Your call. I personally would say "maybe" on the 63 question, but once again, you should take that with a BIG grain of salt. See if the seller is willing to buy it back if it doesn't slab at the stated grade. (Understandably, not too many sellers will do this, though.)
Are you familiar with the seller?
No, but I see no obvious red flags in his feedback. Do a little research; check his past auctions, and see how he graded the other coins. See what his 3 negs were for. He might be OK.
I don't mean to change the focus of your thread but I'd like your comments on this Peace dollar I just purchased. It was a moment of weakness, as I know even less about Peace dollars than I do about Barbers. But I thought it might make a nice addition to the type set I think I'm starting. This came from rpholder, so I hope it looks as nice in person as the photo suggests.
Casey
The toning looks pretty original if you ask me...and as for the grade, I wouldn't have much of a clue, but it looks MS. One thing I do know, that coin would look pretty nice under my camera! LOL!
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<< <i>Casey, I know you didn't ask my opinion, but I would send it back before you even get it. >>
I agree- the splotches indicate that the coin is definitely artificially toned (and ugly, but that is my opinion)
As for Michael- It looks natural, and so long as the luster is there, I'd think it is a 63- not a bad strike
Jeremy
<< <i>I'm going to stop buying raw on Ebay real soon! >>
Great idea, just trying to help.
Billing problem as a seller (probably a mad buyer- looked retalitory)
Grading- MS65 came back a 64 from a 3rd party service... not mentioned the coin, 9/00
Cleaned coin called MS64RD
Check his recent feedbacks for grading... his negs are low and you can no longer access the auctions to see the scans.
Jeremy
Certainly I'm no toning expert, hence the nature of my own thread. But I have in fact purchased a toned Peace from rpholder. Though mine is a 23 and was in an ANACS MS65 slab, hopefully to soon reside in at least a 64 NGC slab. It's there for grading as I write this.
I actually saw this coin and thought about taking a shot @ it, but I already have 2 toned 22s so I thought better of it since it was a little suspect. Be prepared though, your coin will not look as vibrant in reality as in the pics, which may be a good thing. RP has a nack for bringing out the colors in his photos. For the most part, I'm only concerned about the blues/purples on your coin. Golden is quite natural for Peace $, as well as pinks and some reds. Blue/purple is quite rare on Peace dollars, though Adrian is supposedly holding a purple one for me in a NGC holder. And I have a 23 with ice blue on it. The other thing that bothers me is that the colors don't blend well, they almost seem applied to the coin, but that could be the pic/scan.
I'd really have to see this one in person to tell you my thoughts, but I have looked @ dozens-hundred toned Peaces and if that's natural it's a beauty.
When you get it look at the rim, is there toning between the raised edges or is it clean and bright white like the reverse? Clean tends to mean applied toning, dark tends to mean natural.
BTW - I think its a MS64/65 as well, depends on whats under the toning.
Hope that helps,
Michael
Seller had a return policy and was good about it. Bought a few raw Ikes. Very overgraded, but a quick no problem return.
I told seller that he should submit teh coins, and that I would stake my reputation on the grade that I assigned along with a large wager on my grading capabilities. He passed.
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Dave
i'd say it's original...looks like toning from being in an envelope to me...
Attractive toning?
to me it is attractive toning...the coin may is probably not so dark from it's toning as the images show it to be...the seller describes the coin as having lots of luster peeking through...looks like that is indeed the case...
MS63?
it appears to be accurately graded...
Are you familiar with the seller?
no but there's nothing scary in his feedback...he's a no-nonsense kind of dealer from what i can see...i'd ask about return policy before bidding though...
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
>>I'm going to stop buying raw on Ebay real soon!
ah don't do that Casey...just get our expert opinions like FrattLaw is doing before you buy raw on ebay...
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
the diagnostics for genuine '28-P dollar are clear without checking the area around where a mintmark would be?...i don't really know...
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I really hope that wasn't you who bid that coin up. I didn't bring it here so you could run the price up, have a little respect for other Board Members. That's a real bad way to make friends and influence people.
It may also result in others watching your auctions and forcing the price up on coins you're interested in buying as a form of payback.
If it wasn't you, I retract this post in its entirety.
Something to remember,
Michael
Strat -- I was thinking the same thing, I'm still on the fence as to whether or not I like the brownish toning.
'28-P usually fully struck...'28-S usually poorly struck...'28-P has flat rims...'28-S wire rim...
this coin looks alright to me from the images...and i suspect that the images make this coin appear "browner" than it really is...it's deep-gold original (i think) toning..."amber",in one word...
...yes,an ANA member would need to refund money not only for the reason of altered coin but for any other or no reason as i understand it...this ANA dealer offering the 1928 dollar should include his return policy in his auction,in my opinion...
overall,i've seen more ebay auction description space taken up by pure nonsense than i've seen clear statements of return policy,ANA member or not...
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
scenario 1:
1.mr1874 is the high bidder for the toned '28-P Peace dollar.
2.mr1874 inspects the coin and decides it is genuine.
3.Much later,after 3 months or so,mr1874 submits the toned coin,having done nothing to it to alter its appearance, to PCGS for grading.
4.PCGS says the coin is not genuine.
5.mr1874 notifies the the dealer that the coin was submitted and determined not to be genuine.
mr1874 wants his money back from the dealer who sold it to him.
If you were the dealer what,if anything, would you do for mr1874 on this deal?
scenario 2:
1.mr1874 is the high bidder for the toned '28-P Peace dollar.
2.mr1874 inspects the coin and decides it is genuine.
3.Much later,after 3 months or so,mr1874 decides that the dollar needs a dipping and dips it to "blast white."
By altering the coin's appearance by dipping does mr1874,in effect,give up his rights to return the coin for refund even though it may subsequently be determined,on authority,to be an altered date?
If you were the dealer, ANA member or not,what position would you take with mr1874 and the dipped '28 dollar?
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
I contacted the seller -- no return policy, unless the coin is counterfeit.
So I'll pass on this one and wait for a better toned example.
Thanks for everyone's insight though,
Michael
it is unfortunate that this dealer does not see fit to offer a return privilege unless coin is counterfeit...brings up the question,what happens if,on my inspection, i think the coin is counterfeit...gonna take my word for it,refund my money and move on or are you going to insist that i send it to an authentication/grading service and let them tell us what i strongly suspect or know after my inspection before you'll refund my money?...not very sound business practice if one's business is dealing in collectibles to not offer,in writing,some kind of reasonable return privilege,in my opinion...
all one has to do is read the posts in this thread offering various thoughts about grade,toning,
eye appeal,etc. of the 1928 dollar you were considering to be part of your collection to realize that no one,except the ultimate owner/collector for him or herself,is the ultimate authority on a coin's desirability...
if all an on-line buyer gets to do is talk with his greenbacks by making the purchase without possibility of return if not totally satisfied i'd pass on bidding too...it's too bad...a dealer's nice coins aren't always acquired by knowledgeable appreciative collectors...money is lost in more ways than one is what some of these dealers don't seem to realize...
Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein
Michael
Casey