Opinions on this toned Franklin

Casey

This just sold on Ebay for $147. What do you think it would grade?

Russ

I grade it P6 (Pretty 6). It's this new grading scale I made up for coins I don't know how to grade.

Russ, NCNE

osirisMMII

Too bad such nice toning was wasted on a Frankie

dpoole

That reverse looks like a good solid FBL strike. See if NGC likes it, since they're the preferred service for FBL.

Pretty coin! Lots of luster shining through.

JMOORE

I purchased what looked like a real nice rainbow toned '53 Franklin from this seller last month.

When I received the coin it was a real dog. This guy has some GREAT photography skills.

He did give me a full refund on the coin.


Jim

braddick

1959's are genuinely scarce with pleasant toning. Great catch!

Dog97

65 fbl. Just an estimate, I'm not as good with those things as I am Morgans. Looks kinda weak on the obv but is clean and somewhat attractive. don't know what that is by the L but it might affect the grade.

DCAMFranklin

Casey, it sounds to me as if you just watched the auction. You didn't actually buy the coin correct? It is a beautiful coin. I grade it at MS-64. It would probably make FBL at PCGS, but not at NGC.

berylcoin

JMOORE (or anyone else who knows), who is the seller? Those look similar to rpholdercoins images. Are they?

BC

JMOORE

Yes, the seller is rpholdercoins.



Jim

doops

WOOP! NOT GONNA HAPPEN ON THAT UN....
SAY DCHUMPEO WHATCHA GOT? READY?

ldhair

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SemperFI

That is a nice coin. I like the color and the FBL. Nice. Not sure what the grade would be tho.


Hey doop, Are you speaking in ebonics? What did you say? someone translate.

prooflike

Good colors! I give it a 65FBL, but I don't get paid big bucks to grade coins

LucyBop

I see this GEM as a strong 5, and a possible 6. Full Bell Lines as well. This coin has a very low pop in a 6, this seems like a hell of a find. Wish I would have seen it. What lovely toning... Absolutely noway this coin is a ms64. I just don't see any rub on it, one has to remember in 1959 the master die was badly worn and accounts for the weaker strike on the late 50s Franklins. This may be the prettiest 59p this Kitty has seen...

doops

HEH HEH, NO THAT WAS CHUMPONICS.
THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN RELATE TO A WANNBE WHO IS ABOUT TO BE EXPOSED. DCAMFRANKLIN THAT IS..

eagle7

I hate to bring this up but I have to play investigator for a moment. The other day Baley had a 59 quarter with almost the same toning as this 59 frankie, just not quite as good a photography job. Heres my thoughts.
1. 1959 mint sets were packaged in cello, they dont ever tone like this.
2. Roll coins dont ever tone like this.
3. Paper envelope: Maybe but 1959 really hasnt been that long ago. More likely the toning would be much lighter if it was real. Same for a coin album.
4. This isnt real. Dont buy it. This is AT. Boy some of these people on EBAY are really good!

Russ

HMM...thinking back to the excellent thread that Frank posted on toning, one of the things that he mentioned as a sign of AT is that the toning is the same on the lettering as it is in the fields. That does appear to be the case with this coin.

Russ, NCNE

greghansen

Eagle7: I was so taken by the colors that I didn't even think about AT until you posted. Nowww......you got me thinkin...and taken a long hard look! The upper right quadrant of the obverse has, to my eye, what appears to be textile toning, which of course wouldn't occur on a coin sitting in a mint set. Also, I don't know whats going on down around the lettering near "WE TRUST" but the longer I look at it, the harsher those tone seperation lines look and I don't like it. I think you were playing investigator at just the right time and if I had to vote on the available evidence it would say its AT.

I think it is a 66 coin though. I would second Lucy's observations about the condition of the master die at the time the '59 working dies were made, which account for the mushy obverse strike. Can't get a good read on upper bell lines. FBL based on lower lines for sure, probable based on upper set.

eagle7

Your right Greg about the blob of color at we trust. That is another dead giveaway. The colors are harsh and thick. Real toning is more opaque. Have fun at the FUN. I cant make it this year, but maybe next year!
My name is Mark also. Bunch of them on here.

ClausUrch

Here are some more from the Seller...
Youch!!! The Isabella still looks hot to the touch!

greghansen

The evidence is piling on, like the Oakland Raiders on a one-legged quarterback!

LucyBop

well then it's one of the most beautiful AT Frankies I have seen...

agfox

Man it's a shame on that Isabella..

DCAMFranklin

Backstroke....backstroke.....crawfish......crawfish!

JMOORE

The 2nd one in ClausUrch's post is the one that I purchased and returned.


This is what the coin looked like when It arrived.






Jim

stman

This doesn't look real to me. AT (attic toned). With maybe a ez bake oven upstairs.

LucyBop

YIKES! What a difference JMOORE!!! This concerns me... I admit it, I would have been very tempted to bid on the 59 Frankie..... I have yet to bid on a raw coin from Ebay..... This thread has shown good reason's not to..... I have been very lucky to find many nice toned Frankies in person at shows and coin shops..... But on ebay... It's a risky roll of the dice..........

JMOORE

You can imagine my shock when I received the coin


Jim

segoja

Amazing difference on the 53 half.

Some toning artists use chemical that can tone coins very quickly and nicely, but over time (one week or more) the colors darken with exposure to light. Could this be the case here? or is it jsut photography??

As for the 59, it looks good to me, but has the same look as the 53. Makes me suspicious.

As for the grade, I own on of the few 59 halves in 66FBL - made the coin myself, and it blows this coin away from both a strike and luster perspective.

For those Franklin folks, what's a 59-P in PCGS 66FBL worth????

LucyBop

I saw a 59 ms66fbl at Long Beach going for 2k........

JMOORE

And you didn't buy it?


Jim

Mojoe

I like it as a MS65. Russ makes an excellent point regarding the toning though. I changed my mind. I don't like it anymore!

Casey

I was not the purchaser of this toned Franklin, but I did try. rpholder has had some stunning toned coins lately. I did purchase the toned Barber quarter I posted in another thread. I hope I'm not disappointed once I receive it.

Casey