A puzzle to solve?

Bear

The first place EBL Proof Kennedy Half Dollar Collection dissappeared today.

What happened to it. It was an overpowering set, was it sold? Just withdrawn from

the Registry or what? Does anyone have any idea what happened. Even though I am now

tied for first place, I wanted to beat EBL fair and square.

FC57Coins

Not a clue Mr. Bear - but let me be the first to say congratulations on your new status as King of the Beasts! - Award yourself a jelly donut!

Russ

They made the 2002 coins mandatory. He doesn't have them, so he's off page one. Still there, though.

Russ, NCNE

FC57Coins

WOW - a drop from 1st to 26th! - Well Mr. Bear, looks like you're #1 fair and square, at least for now

Frank

Russ

Yeah, I moved up from 18th to 11th. I'll enjoy it while it lasts.

Russ, NCNE

osirisMMII

The really interesting part is on the ATF list. Apparently non-active (deleted) sets are required to have the 2002 coins Wouldn't it be reasonable to think that once a set is deleted that it keeps it's % level based on what was possible at the time of it's non-activity........ I mean if a set was complete in 2001 at 69.25* and then deleted from current status why would it drop to 69.20* because a 2002 coin wasn't (and couldn't be) added? Seems weird to me! I mean what then is the purpose of having a ATF list on currently minted coins - all you really need is a Current Finest list, right?

BTW Bear - Congrats on your Numero Uno status......... guess you're the biggest, baddest critter in the woods now

*Numbers are only an example.......

relayer

Wouldn't it be reasonable to think that once a set is deleted that it keeps it's % level based on what was possible at the time of it's non-activity.

No, not in an active series. I retired my Modern Commemorative Proof Set, which was #1 in 2002 and now down to #6. It will slowly fade away as the series continues as it should be.

It will never be 100% complete again. In another 25 years I'll check and see if it's down to 50% complete by then, assuming both PCGS and I are still around then.

EBL's took another hit from #1 to #12 in the Modern Commemorative Proof Dollars

osirisMMII

Relayer - I can see them moving down in the Current Finest list - what is the purpose of the ATF list then? Or should you just be able to add current year coins to your deleted set? Or............ ?

relayer

osiris-

When a set is active, it shows up in both the Current and All-Time Finest lists.

But when the set is deleted (like mine) it is removed from the Current list.

So the All-Time Finest includes both current and deleted sets (or in some cases of famous collections there are some estimated sets).

And on an on-going series the sets that are deleted will slowly decay from the All-Time Finest lists. For example, they aren't going to mint anymore Franklin Half Dollars so a 100% complete set there will always be 100% complete in the All-Time Finest even if it's removed from the current list.

After deleting my set, I made a 2002 West Pt PR70DCAM so I wanted to re-create my set and add it but it wouldn't have the 2002* designation. And the main reason I deleted it was because I had an epifany about PCGS PR70DCAMs and I wasn't going to cha$e them. So I sold off all of my 70s from my modern type proof and SBA sets.

If PCGS starts to show a consistent PR70DCAM of about 1%, I'll start to take an interest in them again.

osirisMMII

*ugh* I understand about how they have things set up.......... I just don't understand why. There is no purpose for a ATF list the way things are done on current production coins. It seems that an ATF list would be based on a sets % possible at its conclusion/deletion (rather than on a fluctuating/increasing %). The way they are doing it the ATF could change every year even if the standings in the current list didn't. Hmmm......... Unless ones interests/desires/circumstances never changed their accomplishments would eventually not really be recognized........... unless they continued their set. Wouldn't the purpose of an ATF set list be to recognize the outstanding sets that were built by the collectors even if they aren't current?

relayer

With your approach you are changing the mean of "All-Time".

Currently it means since the dawn of time, and as time moves forward that changes.

If you say that a set that was 100% complete when it was deleted so it should always be 100% you are freezing time.

It's like runners in a 100 yard dash. The guy who takes the frist step out can stop and say he's #1 but compared to the guy who ran the whole 100 yards, the first guy is only 1% complete when the race is done.

So because the series is still active, like the race, the ATF shows where the first guy stopped and where the runners are today.

When the race is over (and the series has ended) the % complete will show who tired out and who went the distance. Currently, it's just one snapshot of that race.

Russ

Cool. I just noticed that my retired set moved up from 26th to 15th on the ATF.

Russ, NCNE