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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    MS-BLEECCHHHH.

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Graded by ngc.
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  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well.....it's on teletrade, so I won't be conservative image

    MS67

    The proof could be anywhere from 63 to 68 depending on what hairlines are masked by them playing with the contrast on the picture. PF66?
    Early Dollar Set
  • gwr4gwr4 Posts: 17
    I am going to take a guess from the picture.
    I am not well versed with Morgan Dollars.
    I will say MS-60

    No?
    Yes?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    PR-YUMYUM.

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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    Top one I'd venture and MS63, bottom one I'd say PR67 - that second one is nice!

    Frank
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Top one MS-65.
    Bottom PR-63 cam.

    Top

    Bottom
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    Goes to show you - can't grade worth a darn LOL
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    The MS coin looks OK. A few marks, but it is a CC and the grading services like those coins. It's got a poor strike. Nice reverse color. I don't care for the snot coming out of her nose. Probably in an MS65 slab and maxed out at that..

    The PF coin is impossible to tell. Might as well ask us what number you are thinking of. As for the coin, soft cam on the obverse, solid on the reverse. Probably made the CAM designation, but I'd be very surprised if it made UCAM/DCAM. The coin itself looks fairly flawless. A few what appears to be tick on the reverse. I'd guess PF66 based on the image and knowing how TT does their imagining, I'll adjust it down the standard 4 points to PF62CAM and it might not make cam.
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the 1878 looks circulated to me...MS65?

    the 1888 does like a proof...MS63?...looks like it could be better than 63 to me...

    the 1878 is MS65?...

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  • kobrakoinskobrakoins Posts: 150
    EF45 and PR 67DCAMimage
    kobrakoins
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    I know little about common strike for the first coin, but to me it looks like weak strike and some wear. I'd sat AU-55 tops. Coin two looks to me like a PR67 Cam. I can't wait to see how they were holdered. One of the best lines in "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory", was "The suspense is terrible. I hope it lasts!"image
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  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Not a dime over MS-60 and even that is being nice, ye the toning is great but you gotta be blind to see its seen circulation. To read some guesses at MS-65 is downright frighteningimage
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Top one MS-65.
    Bottom PR-63 cam.

    Top

    Bottom >>

  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    If the top one has no wear, it's MS60. If it has wear, grade by wear. Can't tell through all the spotting and damage.
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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Really,


    I'm glad I don't collect Morgans. Those coins would bother me. Why, in your estimation, would the PR coin be impaired? Also, what was the indicator for you earlier posters that the first coin was MS?
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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    OK - Guess which one is the MS64 and which one is the MS65? - Oy image

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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    The proof might have hairlines that you can only see at a angle at least I would hope it does for it to get a grade of 63. It sure takes a good picture though.

  • marcmoishmarcmoish Posts: 6,278 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LOL , OY is right!image

    Marc
  • keetskeets Posts: 25,351 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ...........well, well. i scrolled down and saw the grades before i posted but would have said MS62 and PF65CAM which is interesting because i usually undergrade.

    an aside to don--------we noticed the mintmark!!!!!!!!!imageimageimage

    al h.
  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭


    << <i>OK - Guess which one is the MS64 and which one is the MS65? - Oy image >>



    Both look at best MS60.
    C. D. Daughtrey, NLG
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  • KlectorKidKlectorKid Posts: 3,723
    The PR-63Cam looks to have an editied picture, messed with contrast.
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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭


    << <i>Both look at best MS60 >>



    Copper:

    Of all people who I would think would appreciate good toning I would've been sure YOU would image

    In person the top one is a very nice 64. How it ranks below the bottom one, I'll never know - but such is life image

    Frank
  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Of all people who I would think would appreciate good toning I would've been sure YOU would image >>



    I read'em how I see'em. "Good toning" to me isn't a blotchy bunch of color...it would enhance the appearance of the coin, and on neither example in this thread does it do so. It more detracts from the beauty those coins once posessed, and makes them look "dirty". I'd rather have a white Morgan any day as to either one of those, sorry.

    Toning is attractive and adds to th eye appeal of a coin when it's subtle, around the edges, creeping into the outer lettering, and in a nice bullseye shape. I prefer the central devices of the coin to remain unaffected by the "toning", and no - I would never pay a premium for it. Any "toning" that shows (even enhances) evidence of rub, fingerprints, or other unsightly details is down right ugly to me.
    C. D. Daughtrey, NLG
    The Lincoln cent store:
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    My numismatic art work:
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    USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
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  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭


    << <i>Toning is attractive and adds to th eye appeal of a coin when it's subtle, around the edges, creeping into the outer lettering, and in a nice bullseye shape. I prefer the central devices of the coin to remain unaffected by the "toning", and no - I would never pay a premium for it. Any "toning" that shows (even enhances) evidence of rub, fingerprints, or other unsightly details is down right ugly to me. >>



    One man's trash is another man's treasure. While certainly I can appreciate the look that you refer to, some pieces like this particular 78CC have quite a bit of character about them. The moment I saw this piece I knew I liked it. What you, and the dealer who sold me this piece, see as blotchy unatractive toning, I see as a swirl of golds, browns, and blues, brought to light by deep brilliance beneath the toning. Yes, you do have to catch the light to appreciate it, yes you do have to put up with some downside to the coin, but heck it's graded a 64, not a 67! For the money (ask + $20) I felt that the strike was strong and the marks were few and far in between. I salute your taste in fine vintage Morgan's sir, but this one I'm kind of fond of - even if it's an ugly duckling to some image

    Frank
  • FC57CoinsFC57Coins Posts: 9,140 ✭
    Oh - before I forget image

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  • coppercoinscoppercoins Posts: 6,084 ✭✭✭
    That's a much nicer coin, the toning doesn't take away from the coin as if it's eating the coin alive. It's subtle, doesn't affect the central devices, and doesn't affect any part of the coin to excess. I believe that one would grade MS65.
    C. D. Daughtrey, NLG
    The Lincoln cent store:
    http://www.lincolncent.com

    My numismatic art work:
    http://www.cdaughtrey.com
    USAF veteran, 1986-1996 :: support our troops - the American way.
    image
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The NGC65 1878-CC is "sharply struck" according to Teletrade?

    "The 1878-CC typically has very good luster,and is one of the most consistently well struck of all the Morgan dollars.However,bagmarks are heavier than usual.Gems with minimum abrasions are very much in demand,usually at levels above CDN bid...The 1878-CC is relatively common in uncirculated condition...nearly 70,000 pieces,most of them BU were disbursed from the enormous Treasury hoard of "CC" dollars...However,because most specimens are quite attractive,and since 1878 was the first year of issue of the Morgan dollar series, the 1878-CC is a popular silver dollar in BU condition."

    from The Morgan and Peace Dollar Textbook,Wayne Miller

    That appears to be wear and not a soft strike on the Teletrade dollar...

    Frank's (FC57Coins) '78-CC is a much nicer than the Teletrade's in my opinion...

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  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,246 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In coherent English this time...

    Frank's 1878-CC dollar is a much nicer coin than Teletrade's NGC65 in my opinion...image

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