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Im Back!!! Need help with '84 Olympic double die?? Pics!

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On my travels I ran into a little gem. I picked up a set of 1984 Olympic dollars that I felt were very reasonably priced, and when I looked at the "D" mint coin I found the following:

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As you can see, the date is noticeably doubled. In addition, part of the legend is also doubled:

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The doubling is very crisp and all shifted in the same direction - to the right. I took the coin to several dealers and they didn't know what to make of it - was wondering if anyone here had seen this before?

Bytheway, the "P" dollar also has doubling on Los Angeles and 1984, and on the "XX" portion of "XXIII Olympiad" but it's not nearly as bold as the "D" dollar.

Frank

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  • Anyone?
  • LucyBopLucyBop Posts: 14,001 ✭✭✭
    Looks like a great find!
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  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Pretty neat. Put it on eBay for 100k image
  • I only wish Placid! - But it would be nice to know if it's a genuine doubled die or machine doubling - and if so, maybe someone could explain how this happens???
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    Machine doubling is flat (shelf like). A true doubled die will be the same depth/height as the area it doubles.

    I've never heard of a DD for this coin and my ANACS pop report shows none. I would strongly guess it is machine doubling.
  • Greg - how does machine doubling occur? - I'm wondering because I'm baffled as to how part of the legend would be doubled and the other part is intact.

    Frank
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    I don't know what it is, but it's pretty cool.

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  • Welcome Back!!! I forget which post it was, but I bookmarked a link that was in it. I think it might be of some help in the " Education " section. The National Collectors Association of Die Doubling
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    Machine doubling results from loose dies. When they strike the coin they shift and create a shelf like doubled image.


  • << <i>Machine doubling results from loose dies. When they strike the coin they shift and create a shelf like doubled image >>



    Greg - if that was the case, then how is it that only part of the legend is doubled? - I would think that if this happened, then the entire legend at least would show some doubling, especially when it's as noticeable as on this piece?

    Frank
  • gmarguligmarguli Posts: 2,225 ✭✭
    I don't know how, but finding coins with only a few letters in a word doubled is common. I had a 1984-S Olympic $1 (the proof one) with machine doubling only on the date.
  • Ken Potter did an article on these in the Nov 4th Coin World. From his article...

    "Doubling evident on the incused date and legend is particulary strong. It presents the appearance of being hub doubling, complete with seperation lines and and a strong notching effect in the corners of these characters. However, the cause is actually strike doubling."
    "Other design areas on the Olympic silver dollar that are raised in the typical fashion, such as the mint mark, L of Liberty and in OF of IGWT, exhibit typical flattened down strike doubling."

    The pictures in the article really look like a doubled die, but it's due to the incuse design. I think they are pretty cool still and would like to find one just to have an example.
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  • << <i>I don't know how, but finding coins with only a few letters in a word doubled is common. I had a 1984-S Olympic $1 (the proof one) with machine doubling only on the date. >>



    Cool - that's interesting. Here's a clearer picture of the doubling on the date - you can see that the left hand side of the legend is doubled, while the right hand isn't.

    Frank

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  • << <i>Ken Potter did an article on these in the Nov 4th Coin World.... >>



    Hey - cool Norman - thanks! It appears this is exactly the type of coin that the article was referring to - I'll have to see how I can get a copy of that!

    Frank

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