penny on a dime planchet-- would weak strike lower grade?

BlueCole

EDIT: files are down at bottom, below the heiress Edit: thinking about send it in for gradeing, and was wondering: since the dime is thinnner than the penny, and if it is a penny on a dime planchet, would the weak strike (see photo's) lower the grade dramaticley? looking at it, i'd grade it VG-F, conservativly. should it get a higher grade ?


I was looking thru some coins my grandfather had stuck back in an old candy jar. couple of AU morgans, BU JFK's, nice Frankies, and other assorted merc, steel cents, etc., etc.

but i can across a 1965 cent that looked strange. first off, it had a silver color, and it was off center, shifted so the L in liberty on the leftside of the obverse wasn't there. on the right side, where the coin should have stopped, was a blank area. the center of the coin is copper colored, just like a clad would be. I will attempt to attach the pics to the bottom of this message, and if it doesn't work here, i'll email to my home computer so i can post them to my website.

does anyone know about this type of mint error in '65? any idea on value? i guess i could submitt it, but it's my grandfathers, and i don't want to waste mine or his money.

THANK YOU!!

B.

kranky

Considering you see a copper-colored core like a clad dime would have, and if you find that the weight is what a clad dime planchet would weigh, I'd send it in.

danglen

According to Error Trends Magazine, this type of error would be worth around $250.00. I would send it to NCS and have them remove the spots before having it slabbed.

Dog97

Hey that's really cool!
It looks too small for a dime planchet, the weight is needed to know for sure.
Might be a struck on a foreign planchet.
Where's Byers when you need him?
He's the largest error dealer in the US & a member here: byersnc.com

kranky

Interesting idea about the foreign planchet, Dog. My Coin World Catalog & Encyclopedia shows no foreign coins were struck at US Mints in 1964 or 1965, with a small amount (7 million) of foreign coins being minted in 1966. But I'm not sure if ALL 1965-dated coins were struck in 1965. I seem to recall reading somewhere that during the 1965-67 "coin shortage" era, the Mint was making 1965-dated coins into the following year.

Anyone else know?

Dog97

I don't know for sure Kranky. My know my other bud Fred used to have a gov book which listed the years the Mint struck for foreign countries.
He's the largest error dealer in the US too. :fredweinberg.com
Both guys will gladly answer any ?????

fcloud

Nice find.

Recently there was a 1943 cent found on a silver planchet (read about it in NN). I think it went unnoticed because the color was right.

kranky

This was interesting enough that I dug out the information.

First, the weight of a clad dime is 2.27 grams +/- 0.091 grams, so if that's what the cent weighs, it seems likely it's a cent on a clad dime planchet.

If the coin weighs something other than that, the concept of a foreign planchet is intriguing.

As I mentioned, the Mint did not make coins for foreign mints in 1964 or 1965. HOWEVER, that doesn't rule out the possibility. The Mint kept the 1965 date on coins until July 31, 1966. From August to December of 1966, they used the 1966 date. Normal date usage returned on January 1, 1967.

During 1966, the mint made 7 1/2 million coins for foreign countries. Therefore, it could be possible that a 1965 dated coin, made during 1966, could have been on a foreign planchet.

BlueCole

man, and to think i got rid of my digital scales a couple of years ago. . ..

ok, accoring to redbook, a cent weighs 2.5g, and the dime weighs 2.27g. i guess i could put them on a balence scale, but i doubt that could tell the difference of .25g.

hmm. . . i can go my a dealers shop on tuesday, see what he thinks. but i've never seen any scales at his shop.

would it matter if the edge is not reeded? if a cent die is used, it wouldn't be, but . . ..

ugh, i might just send it off first.

B.

Dog97

>>>>>>>would it matter if the edge is not reeded?>>>>>>>>>>>
The cent collar die is not reeded.

Spinynorman

The mint only struck coins for Panama in 1966 and they were on the same planchets as the US coins.

Byers

The seller emailed me. Obviously, the weight will determine if its on a clad dime blank or foreign.

Just because the official Mint Records show that no foreign coins were struck at U.S. Mints, there are U.S. coins during these few years that were struck on foreign blanks. I'm referring to countries that we NEVER struck coins for !!! And a few are overstruck on STRUCK foreign coins that we NEVER struck !!


Mike Byers






byersnc.com

Spinynorman

That's really interesting! Can you share any specifics on what foreign coins were unofficially struck by the US mint?

Conder101

<< <i>ok, according to redbook, a cent weighs 2.5g, and the dime weighs 2.27g. i guess i could put them on a balence scale, but i doubt that could tell the difference of .25g. >>



Whoa boy, look at your Redbook again. The cent has been 2.5 grams only since 1982. A 1965 cent should weigh 3.11 grams so the difference would be .84 grams. That is a large enough difference that it would be easily detectable by a ruler and pencil balance!

BlueCole

ahh, good point!!! I remmeber looking specificly at the 82 weight. hmm, if i can just find a pencil and ruler. . . .

B.