dslsports doesnt need to resubmit

chopper

Wouldnt it be great if dslsports could post a thread on this board on pre screening your cards for submissions? Because they sure seem to get some pretty amazing grades!! I wonder what their
source for raw cards is? They can probably just walk their submissions over to psa since they are so close. They probably never have the problem of cracking cards out and resubmitting because their grades seem to always be very generous.Oh well,must just a coincedence.

dude

You can actually "spy" on their submission results. If you see a card they are selling, go to the PSA Cert Verification and look at that serial number and then look at the serial numbers above and below. You won't know the start or the end of their invoice, but considering the volume of cards they submit, you will probably see a definite trend.

chopper

Dude,
Thank you. I checked a few cert numbers starting with a current psa 10 dslsports has on ebay #30183110. Dslsports definitely needs to share their pre screening techniques with us. There is definitely a trend. Very,very impressive!!

PlayBall

I have looked at some of their serial #'s, and serial #'s of other large submitters, and from that tried to estimate when they were graded based on my submission dates, and other board members submission dates who post their invoices. Then look at submission inv. #'s, to try and find the cards. Yes, I have little better to do. I haven't been successful, but I have noticed some invoice #'s are hidden, and only give the date shipped, and not a list of the cards graded.

Hmmm, just another conspiracy theory.

carkim

I have noticed some invoice #'s are hidden, and only give the date shipped, and not a list of the cards graded.

Like this Invoice # 8024221

This was an invoice full of only "MECHANICAL ERRORS" therefore the grades are never posted.

Carlos

bleacherbum

Here's an example of DSL's prowess in grading. I recently won a PSA 10 1975 Mini from them. I checked the surrounding mini's using the cert verification tool. Here's the results:

9,9,8,10 (the card I won),9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,9,8,9,9,9,9,9,8,9,9

(1) 10, (21) 9's, (3) 8's

Pretty impressive!

rocknrollbeernhockey

That's the easiest way to do it. Find the cert. number from the card they have and check the numbers immediately above and below it and you will see that especially on modern cards they submit hundreds and hundreds of the card. One of the '91 Topps Traded Giambi's had almost 250 submissions in order of the cert. range. Quite a few 10's out of that as well, a ton of 9's, and a few 8's.

KING KELLOGG

Now that's intresting......



Larry

crazysc

Do remember - for bulk orders, cert numbers are often grouped together by grade. For instance, look at order #4041215 - you'll see that if you take 10 random numbers, it looks like all 10s - until you see the runs of 9s and 8s!

PlayBall

Holy big submission Batman!

PSA68

Pick any number between #90109078 and #90109364 using cert verification, chances are that you will find 1975 or 1976 Topps Hall of Famer card in PSA 9 or PSA 10! I counted total of 64 Harmon Killebrew PSA 9 cards in that run. Typical dslsports submission. I got that cert number from their recent ebay auction on 1975 Topps Harmon Killebrew PSA 9 card and pulled numbers from each direction.

Basilone

The big question is....where the heck do they get all of this high quality vintage material ??

John

mcastaldi

Sol> "it looks like all 10s - until you see the runs of 9s and 8s!"

That may be true, but many times for my submissions (which range from 30-75 cards) it will seem like the grader "gets his finger stuck on the 8 button". Where no matter how nice the card is (even relative to the others in my order), he's cranking out 8s and just can't bring himself to give a 9. Perhaps this is easier for me to see because my orders are smaller and I don't submit mass quantities of the same card - so how I list them on the invoice is how they're grouped when the grades pop. I also think this phenomenon depends more on who the grader happens to be rather than the person/company submitting the cards.

Mike

waitilltheytrytosell

where the heck do they get all of this high quality vintage material

This would be the key to getting high grades like the 64 Harmon Killebrew PSA 9's. They are not going through 64 different dealer's 1975 Topps albums at shows and pulling out nice looking cards. They are paying huge bucks for unopened and vending and getting nice fresh cards. And, they probably didn't have only 64 Killebrews to choose from. Where do you think the dealers get the sliders to fill up those albums for cherry pickers at shows. Anybody can get dsl like grades if they send in dsl quality and quantity. Most of the grades that come back will be fine for the grade. There will however always be a very small number of cards that aren't going to be nice as the other ones at the same grade.

crazysc

Exactly - you'd be suprised what types of vending runs are still out there. I'm looking at some 70-73 Topps examples where I have 500 of the same card. In some instances, every card is 80/20 or worse. In other cases, every card is 50/50. In many of these cases, I'm looking at commons, but if I see 500 of 73 Topps #82, you know there was at one time 500 choice examples of every star as well.

It's an interesting tug for everyone, because we all want pops to stay as low as possible so we can get as much $$ (or our collectors are worth as much as possible), but we want high pops to be able to buy the cards!

dude

What I've always wondered about DSL is why they've sold approximately 60 to 100 PSA 9 examples of each World Series card (#151-157) in the 1968 set and very little of anything else from the tough 2nd Series. You would think if they bought cases of this stuff, the other cards from that series should be in high population also. There are other minor stars and Hall of Famers in that 2nd Series, so where are they?

crazysc

<< <i>What I've always wondered about DSL is why they've sold approximately 60 to 100 PSA 9 examples of each World Series card (#151-157) in the 1968 set and very little of anything else from the tough 2nd Series. You would think if they bought cases of this stuff, the other cards from that series should be in high population also. There are other minor stars and Hall of Famers in that 2nd Series, so where are they? >>



This I might be able to explain - I had a deal of about 1500 of each WS card that was RIGHT form vending - I mean every card was razor sharp four corners with just centering issues. I sold them before grading was popular, but if they got a hold of that deal...I'm sure it would more than yield such cards...

GATOR5

Boys,

After scanning dsl's first run of 50-60 81's the results were fair....For they were
hammered with 8's the first 35 cards never flipping a henderson or raines and only 1 or
2 schmidts....But then they were awarded 3 bench rb's 10...Good lord!!! For I know
this card is semi tuff possible maybe but the kicker is the 7 yankee 10's behind them..
So the go from 3 or 4 nines for 35 then 10 for 15 in the 10 category for the last 15 cards....

Interesting we'll see how long dsl will hang in on the 81's should be fun to see what pops
will get blown up in the next 6 months for their messing with the gurus territory....


Guru

gemint

<< <i>Pick any number between #90109078 and #90109364 using cert verification, chances are that you will find 1975 or 1976 Topps Hall of Famer card in PSA 9 or PSA 10! I counted total of 64 Harmon Killebrew PSA 9 cards in that run. Typical dslsports submission. I got that cert number from their recent ebay auction on 1975 Topps Harmon Killebrew PSA 9 card and pulled numbers from each direction. >>



So now that there are 64 PSA 9 1975 Killebrews, will that become a $10 card? I mean, how many set collectors and "Killer" collectors can there be? I doubt enough to absorb that kind of volume.

GATOR5

Gem,

I'll take one for 10$

Guru

mcastaldi

gemint> "So now that there are 64 PSA 9 1975 Killebrews, will that become a $10 card?"

I seriously doubt it. For one thing, I have yet to see any change in the frequency the 75 Killebrews come up for sale/auction. So while the pop report says they're out there, they don't seem to be any more available then when the pop was small. Whoever has them seems to be very slow in putting them to market. But mostly, it seems that far too few bidders actually look at the pop report before they bid. Or if they do look at the pop report, they bid as though there will never be another of a card in a given grade. The best example is the 75T McEnaney-

The very first one to ever come to eBay was in October. . .the population was two. . .the eBay sale price was $250
Second one to come to eBay was about a month later. . .the population was about 5. . .the sale price was $114.60
The third one to come to eBay ended this past Sunday. . .the population was 8. . .the sale price was $75.50

While the prices have come down steadily, I attribute this to the natural effect of hammer prices declining for each subsequent offering of a given card. If people were really paying attention to the population, the second auction would probably have closed somewhere in the $20-30 range - and the third auction somewhere between $10 and $20.

Mike

acowa

Mike,

<The very first one to ever come to eBay was in October. . .the population was two. . .the eBay sale price was $250
Second one to come to eBay was about a month later. . .the population was about 5. . .the sale price was $114.60
The third one to come to eBay ended this past Sunday. . .the population was 8. . .the sale price was $75.50>


This could also be a function of the number of high rollers competing for the card. For all we know, the guy who won the second card could have had a maximum bid of $249 yet lacked a second fool to play the game with.

Your point about Just because it's low pop...doesn't mean it's rare is well taken.


Regards,



Alan

dude

Sol,

Thanks for the info on the '68s. It makes sense that they received a hoard of one kind of card and they didn't just bust open vending cases. A long time ago on this board someone mentioned that some small company had tons of vintage cards left over from the '60's and '70's and you could buy 50 cards of the same player dirt cheap. He speculated that was the reason there were so many '68 Drysdales graded with so many being a 10. I wonder if this is where those '68 World Series cards originated from?


All,

Regarding the '75 Killebrew PSA 9, I sold my PSA 8 example last Summer for $45 and I was mad that I hadn't sold it earlier since the market for '75s' peaked a few months earlier. Timing is everything in this hobby.

mcastaldi

Alan> "This could also be a function of the number of high rollers competing for the card. For all we know, the guy who won the second card could have had a maximum bid of $249 yet lacked a second fool to play the game with."

This may be, but my point is that if three cards of equivalent grade come up in a reasonably short period of time, then the second card should sell for less than the first. . .and the third for less than the second.
Plus. . .for this card, the fact that in this same period of time the pop went from "low-pop" to "mid-to-high-pop" should have accelerated the downward trend of the price A LOT more than it actually did.

Mike

acowa

Mike,

But the 1975 McEnanny is one of the true sportscard rarities of all time...which probably inflated the price.


Regards,


Alan

gemint

I'm guessing the owner of those Killebrew 9's (dlsports I assume) will start out by listing one at a time to maximize sale prices. Then at some point you'll see them every other day like a PSA 9 1969 Al Dark or 1972 Roberto Clemente. At some point, the owner will want to unload those. Perhaps they will decide to sell them over a two or three year period to avoid flooding the market, but most dealers don't want to tie up their cash that long. He'll make back his investment in the first 5-10 cards he sells. Then everything after that will be profit, no matter how low they sell for.

waitilltheytrytosell

But, they are being sold with the big POP number haunting them. If they were going to spread the sales out over a couple year period, it would probably be better to have spread the submission of those cards over a couple year period. If the pre-DSL submission for a 9 on this card was say 5, and then with the DSL submission it hits 70, then those 65 cards are all going to be sold with the POP showing at least 70 cards. If they spread the submissions out, the first 5 would sell with the POP showing only 10. Then submit 10 more, and sell them with the POP at 20, and so on. Sure other people might submit a card or two between the time you are done, but it's not going to be a big deal. It's a shame when good cards fall into the hands of people who don't know what to do with them.

gaspipe26

Dude,
Those huge runs came from what was called "cut card cases".
At one time I had 800 of all the World Series cards too from 68. I still have a bunch of each. Its like that for my 68 High's also. I still have up to 500 of each for say 40 or 50 cards. Its the same way for 69,70high's, 74,75,76,77,78,and 79. Certain people were able to ask Topps for specific cards in quantity and receive them.

gemint

<< <i>But, they are being sold with the big POP number haunting them. If they were going to spread the sales out over a couple year period, it would probably be better to have spread the submission of those cards over a couple year period. >>



That's assuming most bidders subscribe to and study the pop reports. Many bidders do not. Those bidders will likely look at past auction history (as quoted by Mike) and bid accordingly. But I agree with you. If I were dls, I would have broken the lot up and submitted at different times. Not only to avoid a big spike in the population but also the concern that the nicer cards could get overlooked. I've seen people submit 100 factory fresh McGwire RCs and get 8's on every one. Then someone else would pick the best 1 or 2 of what was left, submit it and get 9s. Fortunately for dls, they received a healthy dose of 9s. But maybe there were a few 10s lurking in the stack which got overlooked.