Man, I just got a coin bodybagged for AT...I plucked it out of a roll myself!

mnmcoin

Frattlaw may remember the coin, he was there at the Buena Park show when I bought the roll. It is an amazing coin, although I can see why they think it is at, the colors are wild, but the toning just looks original, with a convenient wheel mark over the toning that tells me the toning was there for a long time.

I guess I need to pay them again.

I'll try and get a pic up.

morris <><

Bulldog

If you get it the second time, you need to burn there house down with documentation, affidavits etc. Demand your money back, Sucks when you know the truth and they don't know there profession. I hate it, well i don't hate it but it does blister my Azz.

Bulldog

Ogden

Morris, I feel your pain. However, at least you got a definitive answer. I got two returned recently for
"Questionable Toning" What next?


Ogden

RGL

What is the term here? My beautifully (and naturally) toned MS 1909 VDB Lincoln was bagged a couple of months ago for "questionable color."

Placid

Your supposed to call Charlie when you send those so he can get them thru for you.

Ogden

RGL, interesting, my "Questionable Toning" was also for the 1909 VDB. A beautiful coin.


Ogden

FrattLaw

Ahh, yes, I remember the coin. Very wild colors. Absolutely beautiful. I can understand why they questioned it, it was toooo nice. Not that I'm an expert on toning, but it didn't have any of the visible signs of AT. I guess they thought it was just too damn nice to be real so they BBed it.

Don't fret Morris, I'm sure with another two-three investments in grading fees, you'll have it in a PCGS holder.

That was a great coin. Morris, put up some pics and share!

Michael

LincolnCentMan

Dont feel bad. In my last submission, got bagged for AT on a coin I plucked out of a PCGS holder myself... go figure.

David

airplanenut

NGC bb'd my coin that was just cracked out from PCGS

Russ

I sent off a submission this morning that has four wild rainbow proofs in it that I pulled from the sealed celo pack myself. I already called Charlie as a preemptive strike, and asked him to look after them so he can avoid an annoying phone call when the grades are posted.

Russ, NCNE

CLASSICS

maybe they need to teach the graders how to tell the diffrence between real an a.t. they are suppose to be the experts??????????? makes you wonder who knows what. if you know it is real and have to have it slabbed, sent it to ngc.

stman

I have a question and have no idea why they bagged the coin mentioned here. And this may be related to the coins Russ has also, I see many people say they pulled a coin from a roll themselves, or they took it out of a mint set or proof set themselves. But does this mean for certain the color has to be real in everyones opinion?

I would think it is possible the way it was stored could effect the toning or colors. But I understand if you can show the company some proof it helps. My opinion is just because a coin comes from a roll or a mint set doesn't make the toning real for sure. It could have had "help" in other ways. IMO

RGL

Amen, Ogden. I am not a Lincoln/copper expert, but board members who are said my description of my coin's toning was typical -- and desirable -- of some early Lincs. I may try again and won't take it lying down next time around...

CLASSICS

<< <i>I have a question and have no idea why they bagged the coin mentioned here. And this may be related to the coins Russ has also, I see many people say they pulled a coin from a roll themselves, or they took it out of a mint set or proof set themselves. But does this mean for certain the color has to be real in everyones opinion?

I would think it is possible the way it was stored could effect the toning or colors. But I understand if you can show the company some proof it helps. My opinion is just because a coin comes from a roll or a mint set doesn't make the toning real for sure. It could have had "help" in other ways. IMO >>

...........good idea but, thats not the way they want to do it. i wouldnt send them my original mint sets and tell them just to grade the half dollars. or an original bank wraped roll and tell them just to grade the toned end coins.... they have more than one person there looking and grading, they should have people there with the years of experience, who know how to tell, not teenagers, yes i know they have one working there, and here he is pretty good, but nothing beats years of experience from looking at thousands of coins for many many years..........

stman

Classics, I understand being upset about all this. I'm not trying to side either way. But I think you missed the point I was trying to make.

Russ

stman,

I understand what you're saying and, frankly, I don't know what the answer is. But, it occurs to me that it might be rather difficult to deliberately create the wild toning on the coins I just submitted without somehow damaging the envelope or the mint cellophane packaging. Neither showed any indications of tampering.

Russ, NCNE

Pushkin

This thread is really depressing and it expresses very well my hesitation to submit over 20 beautiful Indian Head cents with exquisite toning to PCGS. These coins are all naturally toned beauties that make up the heart of my collection - but dealing with the anger that I knowI'll feel if any, let alone most, come back for "questionable toning", and the additional anger at being ripped off, has kept me from submitting.

What a miserable situation we seem to be in - if the coin is toooo.. good, you get screwed!

OK, vent, vent, vent - at least misery loves company. How crazy, here I am venting over the fear of submitting - what has the world come to?

Time to go pet the cat - @!&%? PCGS. Thank you for your attention.

mnmcoin

All this talk reminded me of a set I bought at Long Beach, I think it is a 61, but anyway, bought it right there at the show, couldn't believe it when I slid the set out of the envelope and whamo, the whole obverse of the dime what flaming pink, what a cool looking coin I thought so I bought the set, and I took it over to PCGS to ask them about grading it from inside the set (or at least not grade it but decide that it was indeed real...since it was still inside the cello), since I thought that they might think the coin was at if I clipped it and sent it in normally in a flip...the coin is that wild. Anyway, the girl still told me that it could come back questionable color. Well after I got up off of the floor, I asked her again, cause I thought maybe I heard her wrong. Well I didn't, she said that they could still at the coin. I couldn't believe it, but was told that some people could take a syringe full of chemical and pump it into the set and whahlah...at. I thought they were joking with me, but evidentily not. So I still have the set in my safe, waiting for a trip to PCGS when I can walk it in with a few other 1970 sets with cool toned coins, and talk to charlie.

Anyway, I thought that was a neat addition to add to the thread.

morris <><

stman

mnmcoin, A very nice addition to this thread. And kind of the point I was trying to make. That just because it comes from (or the service is told) it comes from a roll or set doesn't always mean it is original toning in other peoples opinion.

Trime

mnm coin,
Seems that any hole in the cello would be detected under magnification. Get your scope out (if you have one ) or high power loop and check the cello. As the story goes the seller didn't hype the color (n'est pas?).
Give it a go. IMHO there are coins that are extremely difficult for a grader or any member of the forum to be certain where and how the coin received its tone.;
Please do not expect graders to be perfect; if they were then we would have a scale in decimals and a rainbow scale that would make looking at coins unnecessary. While it may be frustrating to know that they are human, they are. I as many of you had coins body bagged for various reasons when I bought it from the mint and kept it in my safe deposit box and sent it in many years latter untouched by me or other terrestrial creatures. isgust