Carson Palmer wins the Heisman!!!!

Viking

I can't believe that Carson was first and Dorsey was last. That's just screwed up. ANyways here's how it ended:

1st Carson Palmer
2nd Brad Banks
3rd Larry Johnson
4th Willis McGahee
5th Ken Dorsey

I thought Ken Dorsey would be hurt by having two Miami candidates, but I thought he'd still be in second or third. I thought Larry Johnson should have won it.

phillyfan36

sweet, i want larry johnson to win but palmer was an excellant player this year, congrats to plamer

tmac21

GOOD.....I HATE DORSEY!!!!

rooks

They all deserved it but its awesome to see palmer win after all the crap he went through at usc . Congrats to him

ljmaya

I got a beef with Palmer winning.
1) I hate USC (I am a UCLA fan).
2) Palmer only did well in November and December
3) Banks and Dorsey were more efficient and threw for more yds than Palmer did.
4) Dorsey was 30-1 including an undefeated season this year going into the Fiesta bowl vs. OSU.
5) Johnson and McGahee deserved more votes than Palmer did.

In my opinion this is how I would have voted.
1) Johnson
2) McGahee
3) Dorsey
4) Banks
5) Palmer

I think the voters should have done what they did with this last election...have a re-count.
This is horrible. I hope Iowa crushes U$C.

Palmer may be holding the hardware tonight but he won't be a good pro qb. Who knows he might follow up on what Crouch did and retire lol

Thanks for reading
Lon

awaltz

Finally...a west QB got Heisman!!! David Carr was cheated!!!

gettinout

There is no way that Palmer should have won the Heisman Trophy. If they gave the Heisman to Palmer, they should have given it to Jason Gesser of WSU. Here are my reasons:

1) His team didn't even win the Pac-10 conference (WSU did)

2) He lost to WSU going head to head against Gesser (WSU 30 USC 27)

3) Jason Gesser had a higher QB rating for the season then Palmer (150.1 vs 148.3)

It should have gone to one of the guys from undefeated Miami (that was hard for me to say considering I hate Miami)

Lway7fan

BYRON LEFTWICH HAD BETTER #'S THAN ALL OF THOSE QB'S.HE WAS HURT AND MISSED 3 GAMES AND HE'S FROM
SMALL CONFERENCE. HE'S GOT THE MOST POTENTIAL TO BE NFL QB

rooks

ljmaya is a typical sucla fan. Neither dorsey nor banks threw for more yards than palmer. Palmer was consistant throughout the entire year. He absolutely crushed the heartless bruins which is not much of an accomplishment I have to admit. He played lights out against auburn, colorado and notre dame. Typical sucla fan, he worries more about usc losing than ucla winning, I guess thats what jealousy does to a person. Touting leftwich is a joke by the way. He plays nothing but patsies and everyone knows it, thats why he wasnt in the final five despite that scene where he was carried by his linemen.

SlipKnot515

heh...all you people complaining because your guy didn't win it...I absolutely HATE USC (I'm a Duck fan) but I feel Palmer should have won it. He dominated. and for those that think Dorsey or mcgahee should have won it, well, maybe if they didn't have the great line that they did, they would get more consideration...

Koolman2005

since cincinnati will have first round daft pick next year..... i hope they dont pick Palmer

SlipKnot515

<< <i>since cincinnati will have first round daft pick next year..... i hope they dont pick Palmer >>


sorry buddy, but I believe about every team has a first round draft pick next year... If anything, I wuold expect cincy to pick someone like leftwich..

Koolman2005

lol.. i meant first in the first round

rooks

since cincinnati will have first round daft pick next year..... i hope they dont pick Palmer I hope they dont pick palmer also. Not only because I am a palmer fan but I wouldnt wish the hell of playing for the bungles on anybody.

Quiksilver77

<< <i>sorry buddy, but I believe about every team has a first round draft pick next year >>



LMFAO, beat me to that response

SlipKnot515

yes, yes i did quik!

Cardinal88

I was a little disappointed Palmer won it... I would of liked Banks or Johnson... Dorsey and Willis are both good players but Miami has tons of talent around them too.... I wanted Banks because he brought the team out of no where and lead them to co-Big Ten Champions.. He has another dimension that the other 2 QB's doesn't have.. He can take off and scramble when things break down.. I didn't really watch a lot of Palmer but they crushed ND so I guess he showed his skills in that game.. But 1, 2 in the Heisman face off in the Orange Bowl, we will see which one gets the better of eachother, I see Iowa winning but having problems with USC's Freshman WR (cant think of his name).. He's pretty damn good though...

Viking

I still say Chris Gamble should have won the Heismon and Jim Tressel definately should have won AP Coach of the Year instead of Ty Willingham

zimmy3

I thought that Banks should have won it and Palmer should have been second, but Palmer is an excellent and deserving choice. At least it didnt go to Dorsey. I dont, nor should anyone care that his team went like 32-1 or whatever it is during his tenure there, we are talking about what they do for the team. And clearly, Dorsey isnt even the star player on his team. Oh, and Lway7fan, you dont vote for the heisman based on who has the greatest potential, you vote based on what they are doing in college, not what you think they are going to do in the NFL. I would have voted for Leftwich too, but he missed too many games to win it.

baird34

i think that palmer definetly deserved the heisman... of course i would have liked johnson to win but if he didnt, palmer was the one guy that i thought deserved it over him.

mainly the way i think about it is... dorsey had a great season, but this is an award for one season, not a lifetime achievment award, which is what it would have been if he had won (b/c of all the 34-1 talk), mcgahee had a great year as well and stepped up big in big spots but now adays i dont see many sophmores walkin away with the heisman to easily, as for banks... yes he had a great season and so did Iowa, but the heisman is an award for an outstanding performance over the year by ONE player, he wasnt the only reason they did so great this year. but just like the MVP this year in baseball, the whole teams performance is apparantely a big factor in getting to be a finatlist. when they played penn state, their running game came out and ran all over us. basically what i am saying is that banks had a great season, but lets say his team was 9-3, just like penn state is, do you honestly think that banks even would have been a finalist for the heisman??

anyway... congrats to carson palmer

baird34

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KingCobra

Larry Johnson deserved ZERO votes; he averaged 70 yards per game against Iowa, Ohio State and Michigan, and ran wild on the scrub teams they played. He's a total fraud.

Palmer played fantastic the last 6 six games of the season, it's too bad the Heisman used to be awarded for an entire great season, not just a handful of great games.

Dorsey had his best statistical season 2 years ago, the Heisman is not a lifetime achievement award and he didn't deserve it for what he did this year.

Leftwhich is another fraud, was exposed by Va Tech and put up numbers against pantywaist competition. I hope the Bengals take him number one so he can be another bust draft pick for them.

Willis McGahee should have been #1, followed by Brad Banks.

baird34

Larry Johnson deserved ZERO votes; he averaged 70 yards per game against Iowa, Ohio State and Michigan, and ran wild on the scrub teams they played. He's a total fraud.


that has to be one of the most ignorant statements made ever... yes johnson had his big games against teams that pretty much stunk... but as i seem to remember, he put those numbers up in every game in just over 1/2 the game. he didnt go more then 5 minutes into the third quarter. if he had played that whole game against Mich St. he would have easily had over 500 yards rushing and like 7 td's. and also... what all a RB does is run the ball?? in those three games you mentioned there... johnson accounted for over 150 yards TOTAL (rushing, recieving, kick returns) ypg and 4 TD's in 3 games.

everyone played against scrub teams... but i dont see any of the other RB's in the nation putting up those kind of numbers against them.

baird34

besides... anyone who puts up these kind of stats in D-1 football (let alone in the Big Ten) is no Fraud

2,575: Total all-purpose yards (214.6 Yds/Game), with 23 TDs, which leads the nation.

2,015: Number of rushing yards gained this season, making Larry the ninth in NCAA history to exceed 2,000 yards.

341: Number of receiving yards gained this season, the most by a Penn State running back ever.

327: Number of rushing yards gained against Indiana, breaking his own PSU single game record.

251: Number of carries this year - the LEAST number ever needed by a RB to achieve 2,000 yards

151: Average number of all-purpose yards against Ohio State (BCS #2), Iowa (BCS #5), and Michigan (BCS #10)

78%: LJ's third down conversion percentage.

25%: The percentage of rushing TDs that Ohio State allowed this year that were scored by LJ.

12: The number of games this season that Johnson scored in - EVERY game!

11: Penn State's BCS Strength Of Schedule rating

10.15: LJ's yards per MINUTE average vs. Michigan State

8.88: Average yards per carry in Big Ten games, best among all-time Big Ten league leaders (formerly 7.9 set by Kijana Carter in 1994.)

8.03: Average yards per carry, best among 2000 yd gainers (formerly 7.8 set by Mike Rozier in 1983.)

4.1: Average yards per carry against Ohio State (#2 rush defense), Iowa (#4 rush defense), and Michigan (#26 rush defense). Those teams allow only 2.78 ypc.

4: Number of 200+ yard rushing games this season, beating the PSU record of three previously held by 1973 Heisman winner John Cappelletti.

39 Receptions - Most for a RB in Penn State history
341 Receiving Yards - Most for a RB in Penn State history, 4th in the nation among RBs
8.7 Yds/Reception
20 Rushing TDs (Including runs of 17, 24, 38, 41, 43, 69, 78, and 84)
3 Receiving TDs (17, 23, and 36)
#2 in Nation in Scoring (140 Total Points)
Four-time Big Ten Offensive Player of the Week
Doak Walker Award winner
Maxwell Award winner
Walter Camp Award winner
FWAA All-American team
AFCA All-American team
ESPN.com All-American team
CNNSI.com All-American team
Maxwell All-American team
Chevrolet National Offensive Player of the Year
Heisman finalist

Comparison of top RB's vs. Current Top 11 BCS teams:

Larry Johnson (3 games, Iowa, OSU, Michigan)
51 rushes for 212 yards and 3 TD's .
17 receptions for 170 yards and 1 TD.
(doesnt even factor in kick returns )

Willis McGahee no games vs. Top 10 BCS teams. (KingCobra's heisman winner )

Quentin Griffin (1 game, Texas)
32 rushes for 248 yards and 2 TD's.
0 receptions.

Chris Brown (3 games, Oklahoma, USC, KSU)
65 rushes for 316 and 2 TD's.
1 reception for 3 yards and 0 TD's.

yep... i must be wrong... johnson is a fraud

Jman

Dorsey sure as heck didn't deserve the Heisman, like somebody else said, he isn't even the best player on the team. And if you give it to McGahee, why not Johnson, who seemed to not show up in the big games. Either Banks or Palmer deserved it, and I don't really care who won it.
Oh, and I bet the only finalist that does do well in the NFL will be McGahee, as Johnson seems to be another Penn State RB who does well in college. I remember Kijana Carter and Curtis Enis, picked #1 and #5 in their respective drafts. I think playing against teams like Rutgers can really help out your statistics. Oh, and averaging 150 yards total, including kick returns, doesn't seem that huge, since you get probably 2-5 returns a game, averaging about 20 yards a return, thats at least 40 yards a game.

KingCobra

And if you give it to McGahee, why not Johnson, who seemed to not show up in the big games.

McGahee came up big in the big games. Johnson padded his stats against scrubs.

baird34

"Oh, and averaging 150 yards total, including kick returns, doesn't seem that huge, since you get probably 2-5 returns a game, averaging about 20 yards a return, thats at least 40 yards a game. "


yards are yards... does it matter how u get them? w/o those yards returning your team is hurtin pretty bad. besides... you dont get to return the kick everytime... its not an automatic 40 yards (he averaged about 30 yards per game returning kicks). ... but oh ok... if you wanna take away those yards... he averaged 120 total ypg still with 4 TD's in 3 games. Ohio State gave up just 4 rushing TD's all year! and he averages over two times as much per carry as any of those 3 teams gave up all year. To say that Johnson did nothing against the top 3 teams he played this year is completely rediculous.

and as i said b4... this is an award for an outstanding performance by ONE player... if bank's team was 9-3 like penn state... do you really think he would have been mentioned in the heisman race?

baird34

besides... did anyone even watch the iowa game??...

i seem to remember them losing by over 30 at one point. i dont think a team is gonna run the ball too much when you are losing by that much. so are you gonna punish Johnson for Penn States game plan on trying to come back and win the game (which almost happend i might add).

KingCobra

he averaged 120 total ypg still with 4 TD's in 3 games. Ohio State gave up just 4 rushing TD's all year! and he averages over two times as much per carry as any of those 3 teams gave up all year. To say that Johnson did nothing against the top 3 teams he played this year is completely rediculous.

Care to list the 3 teams he had 4 scores against?

And averaging 70 yards per game in college is doing nothing, especially for a so-called Heisman contender.

baird34

i am talkin about the 3 games that he was being accused of doing nothing against... ohio state, mich, and iowa

ohio state only gave up 4 TD's all year... johnson has 1 of them. and 70 yards was just rushing (he had 150 total, 120 rushing/recieving). and that was against the #2 #4 and #26 Rushing D's against the run in the nation. when you are going up against that tough of rushing d's do you really think that the penn state team based their offense for those games around the run?

Mich... he only got 17 carries... and zack mills threw the ball for 31 times (he averaged over 4.6 yards per carry
Iowa... 18 carries... zack mills threw the ball 44 times (b/c they had to come back being down by 30+)
Ohio State... 16 carries... mills threw 30 times averaged over 4.2 yards per carry
---> mills only averaged 18 passing attempts in the others games this year... this shows you that the game plan was different when he passes twice as much

and yes... i agree that he did put up stacked #'s on the lesser opponents, but as i said... he never played more then halfway into the 3rd quarter in any of those games. why didnt McGahee put up those kind of stats against Rutgers, UConn, or Florida A&M.

baird34

oh and...

iowa.. 2 tds (1 rush, 1 recieve)
osu... 1 td rushing
michigan... 1 td rushing

Jman

Still, those numbers are pretty weak in college football. And do you know who else scored against those teams? Of the 4 rushing TD's OSU allowed, 1 was Johnson, who were the other 3? Probably don't know, thats a meaningless stat. And you don't just change game plans, PSU just didn't run the ball in those losses because they tried to run it, got stuffed and got down and had to come back, and running the ball wouldn't do it. Also, if your teams winning, would you care giving up 5 yards on the ground in the 4th quarter? Thats probably how Johnson averaged so much per carry. Oh, and Banks deserves the votes because his team DIDN'T finish 9-3, but what, 10-1, 11-1? He lead his team to victories in big games, something Johnson couldn't.

KingCobra

Plus Johnson had his big games against tams like Michigan State, who flat out quit on the season. It's not enough to pile up numbers, you have to lead your team to victory too. McGahee did it as the best player on his team. Johnson didn't. Anyone who knows college football knows to look beyond the raw numbers.

baird34

when did McGahee play against the #2, #4, and #26 ranked Running D's in the league. And to try and tell me that a team doesnt change their game plan (before the game started) is complete bs. Did you even watch any of those games?? Why would Mich, Iowa, or Osu just give up and give Johnson 5 yards a carry at the end of any of those games??... Iowa and Mich went to OT and OSU won by 6. Why in the world would they just say, oh well... 5 yards means nothing.??! Johnson averaged over 4 yards a run both the Mich and Osu game... if they really wanted to pound the ball in with him all day, they could have. but that wasnt the game plan. instead, they ran small screen passes and short routes for the recievers. It also didnt help him in the OSU or Mich game that Zack Mills played the worst I have ever seen him play. So the D could concentrate more on zoning in on Johnson. How often can a team playing Miami sit back and just concentrate on McGahee w/o thinking about getting burned by Dorsey?? and i just mentioned that OSU TD b/c I was trying to repeat myself about them having the #2 running d in the nation. unfortunatley i guess i have to spell things out on this board.


and yes... once again Cobra... i am agreeing with you... he had huge games (Actually Half of games) against the scrub teams... playing just over a half in all of the games. but once again... why didnt McGahee or any of the other top running backs in the nation put those kind of numbers up against teams like Rutgers, Uconn, Temple, or Florida A&M ?? Johnson could have easily had 3 games rushing for over 450 yards with at least 5 TD's in each game. But Joe Pa took him out after the HALF-TIME b/c they were destroying those teams that they were playing.

baird34

and once again... what is the heisman award for?... best performance by a single player over the course of the season. i understand his team only lost one game and thats a huge reason why he was there and deserved to possibly win it. but as i said... even with the stats he had this season... lets say he had the exact same stats but his team lost that game to penn state, and lost one more to someone else. do you really think that Banks would have even been mentioned? his teams record was the reason he is there. oh and being 2nd in the Big Ten in rushing yards per game also helped Iowa and Banks win a few games too (over 220 ypg)... (finished 7th in passing)

now im not sayin that he didnt deserve to be there... he obviously did... he did have an excellent season and did lead his team to be one of the top teams in the nation out of no where. but there were players who had better individual seasons. and thats what the heisman award is... an individual award.