Sounds like someone trying to upgrade their set!

mikeschmidt

1954 Wilson Weiners Sammy White PSA 7


If I'm reading between the lines -- I would almost suggest that the seller perhaps wants to purchase the PSA 9 o/c that he so subtlely disparages in his posting.

BTW -- as I believe the seller is on these boards -- please be careful re: your statement on Paypal fees. The language you have posted pretty much is illegal by Ebay standards and can cause them to pull your auction. I'm not going to debate whether or not I think it is a reasonable policy -- only stating that it is disallowed by Ebay's model.

MS

theBobs

What is the purpose of your post Marc, other than to disparage the seller. Perhaps this was better left to private email?

Virtualizard

MS - I know what you mean. I have avoided requesting the paypal fee on my auctions only because ebay does not allow it. I think this policy is unreasonable. I've had paypal fees of $10 or so on several of my sales. On high dollar auctions, I really don't mind, but it adds up. I don't try to make money on my s&h charges like some other sellers, but I do add a little extra to cover the paypal fees.

Speaking of making money on S&H - I recently won 11 cards from a seller on ebay and he charged me ~ $16.00 s&h. I sent a polite email stating that I hoped my cards would be well insured due to the excessive s&h charges. No response. Well, I received the cards a few days ago in a small bubble mailer with $1.98 in stamps on the package and no insurance.

JEB.

MickeyC

Regarding shipping, sometimes the actual shipping for my auctions is less than what I have charged the customer. I drop a dollar in the package to make it up. Good customer service, wish others would do it. Won a 71 Topps coin, was charged $3, and the coin came in a 37 cent, small envelope. No padded mailer. I left positive feedback, but in the feedback I wrote, "charged $3 shipping, coin sent in 37 cent envelope?".

Regarding charging for Pay Pal fees. Isn't this against Pay Pal, Mastercard, AMEX, VISA, and Discover's policy? I've been told by a dealer it is against the LAW. Is that true? I know that in the merchant agreement with the credit card companies and retailers that they are not allowed to charge customers for their fees. And if any retail establishment (ebay sellers online included) requires a minimum for using a charge card, that too is against the merchant agreement.

It's a cost of business. Sellers just have to suck it up. How many more bids do we receive BECAUSE we accept credit cards via Pay Pal?

Mark

zardoz51

If you don't like paypal fees, then don't accept it. Simple as that!

In my humble opinion, one gains far more bidders, higher sales prices, and faster payment. It's the cost of doing business.

As for sellers attempting to collect the fees as an add-on, these are just sellers to avoid. Ebay should have a level playing field, and should boot off these amateur chiselers.

Ya' gotta pay to play!

MickeyC

<< <i>I don't try to make money on my s&h charges like some other sellers, but I do add a little extra to cover the paypal fees.

JEB. >>


Jeb, making a statement like that will drive the bidders away. Especially since using your email address (which is listed in your profile) anyone can find your ebay ID.

Customer service. It's a dying notion.

Mark

mikeschmidt

<<What is the purpose of your post Marc, other than to disparage the seller. Perhaps this was better left to private email? >>

thebobs:

I apologize -- I really was not tryint to disparage the seller. The bottom line is that the 1954 Wilson Weiners set is perhaps one of the most intriguing and toughest regional sets in post-war baseball card history. Besides strong star power, paper-thin borders, and the attractive pack of hot dogs on each card, the bottom line is that owning any PSA 7 Near Mint or PSA 9 MINT Off/Center card from this set is absolutely amazing. Also -- from my discussions with various people who have built or owned this set, the general concensus seems to be that this is definitely a set where a qualifer is not equivalent to a card with no qualifier of two less grades.

Finally, as to the Paypal fees, I was really just trying to warn the seller. It would be an annoying waste of time if ebay cancels this auction with one day remaining. Many people are not aware of Ebay's policy on this matter, and I was simply trying to post a warning that his description appears to directly violate Ebay's policy. One possible way to avoid this is by stating something along the lines of "Insured Shipping fee of $13.00. If the winning bidder chooses to pay by money order or personal check, insured shipping is only $5.00"

MS

theBobs

With the borders so small, would not a O/C have nearly the eye appeal of a NQ? I mean, if it was more than a touch O/C it would get to M/C pretty quickly?

I agree with your assessment of the of the Franks cards Marc. It just seemed to me the seller was trying to pimp his card, and if a Q'ed card is priced more closely to a NQ card for this issue -- then claiming this 7NQ has more eye appeal than the 9 O/C would actually be raising this auction's final price (hopefully) closer to a 9 O/C price, or more than a 7 NQ.

<< <i>Sounds like someone trying to upgrade their set! >>

To me, sounds like someone trying to get as much as possible for their card!

As for the paypal stuff, Zardoz is yoda-like in his analysis and advise...

Virtualizard

Mickey C - Let me clarify my last post. I'm just saying that my s&h charges (which I list in each auction - don't get me started on this topic) cover all of my costs - they are no different than any other reputable and honest seller's fees and I combine multiple auctions with little or no additional charge. Considering that all of the graded cards that I sell are not for profit (just cards that I've upgraded and want to get rid of), I'm not even looking to break even on what I originally paid for them on ebay or in grading fees. I frequently sell these cards at a financial loss. I hope that sets the record straight.

JEB.

1954

In my opinion the value of a PSA 8OC is higher than a PSA 7. The quality of the card should be cleaner, the corners should be stronger and the focus of the card should be clearer. I could show you a PSA 8oc and a PSA 7. The centering is the same, but the card has much more eye appeal than the PSA 7. Many people that do not know this set might snub their nose at the PSA 8 oc, and buy the PSA 7. I am doing something different with this set than any other that I collect. I am buying the card and not the holder. I know this might sound stupid, but ALL the Wilson Wiener cards are off centered one way or the other.

Leo/1954

MickeyC

The only thing that sets an OC apart from a 7 is centering. The corners are an 8, the gloss is an 8, the surface is an 8. It's just that centering that gives it a qualifier.

I've learned to embrace the qualifiers and don't mind a clean card, with sharp corners, that is off center. I just don't understand how a 7 could be worth more than an 8OC. Most 7's have obvious corner problems. An 8OC doesn't.

I feel that I won a little victory for picking up a 71 Munson PSA8 OC recently for substantially less than what a 7 went for, it was around a $60 difference!

If you have 'em, send them to me! I'm willing to purchase OC's for all of my sets, drop me a line if you have any.

Mark

1954

"The only thing that sets an OC apart from a 7 is centering. The corners are an 8, the gloss is an 8, the surface is an 8. It's just that centering that gives it a qualifier."

Mark-
To each his own, however the difference from a 1971 Topps card and a 1954 Wilson is a little different. My point was that PSA has graded many of these card in a PSA 7 holder or PSa 6 holder and these have the same centering as a PSA 8oc. The PSA 8oc card has sharp corners and the PSA 7 does not. I would want to purchase the higher graded card with the qualifier because it presents nicer.



Leo

MickeyC

True, I tend to forget how different the 71's are from other sets.

Mark