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1960 Fleer Football - Uncut sheets?

nnpoppnnpopp Posts: 33
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I'm thinking of starting a 1960 Fleer Football graded set, but I hesitate for one reason. I've seen tons of 1961, '62 and '63 Fleer football uncut sheets out there and fear that many will find their way into BVG 9.5 holders one day, driving down prices (and demand) for PSA 8s. I haven't seen any 1960 Fleer football sheets, but I assume that they are out there. Does anyone have any knowledge on this issue?

-Noah
my current eBay auctions - lots of PSA-graded 1980 Topps baseball

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  • AlanAllenAlanAllen Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭
    The '60s are out there. I haven't seen any '62s, and of course there are tons of '61s. I think there are very few people who collect these, and those that do are pretty savvy, so I don't think a large BVG pop will do much to PSA prices.

    Joe
    No such details will spoil my plans...
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    Have been actively collecting the 1960's Fleer football sets for years now,
    and the following is what I've found regarding uncut sheets :

    1960 - SOME sheets are out there

    1961 series 1 - have NEVER seen or heard of one
    1961 series 2 - SOME sheets are out there

    1962 - have NEVER seen or heard of one

    1963 - have NEVER seen or heard of one

    If anyone has any differing information, I'd be most interested to hear it.



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  • BobSBobS Posts: 1,738 ✭✭
    What exactly is your problem with the demand and prices for a set you collect going down. I only wish.
  • nnpoppnnpopp Posts: 33
    Thanks for the info Joe and wolfbear -- for some reason I thought there were 1962 sheets out there; wasn't there a recent Mastro auction with a sheet or two among a large lot of sheets?

    My issue with sheet-cut cards is the same issue that has been discussed on this board: they "cheapen" the regular, non-sheet cut cards. As many of you know, it is almost impossible to find a 1960 Fleer football card that has anything close to 50/50 centering. Having quantities of 50/50 sheet cut cards out there hurts resale value for the genuine article and hurts interest in the set. It is, in some ways, like counterfeit or reprinted cards. Trading in Jordan or Gretzky rookies or Star Basketball cards is a dicey proposition at best, so some collectors just avoid them altogether. If I can find a BVG 9 set of 1960 Fleer football cards five years from now for $1,500, why spend $5,000 today trying to put together a PSA 8 set? At least that's my thought process; I'm open to hearing how this thinking is flawed -- that's what makes the hobby and this message board so interesting and informative.

    -Noah
    my current eBay auctions - lots of PSA-graded 1980 Topps baseball
  • crazysccrazysc Posts: 291 ✭
    I've had quite a few 61 Fleer high number sheets (football) - what's weird is how they graded them (BVG). I cut up two sheets and sent them in, and had a BVG 9.5 in almost every star. I cut up the remaining two sheets, and didn't get better than an 8.5 (your typical 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 7.5 cards from sheets). Go figure.

    I'm sure there are sheets out there for just about anything, but I don't see taking a hit from '60s, '62s, or '63s. On another note, with the stock of the '63F FB, I wonder if you could really tell if they're cut from a sheet or not...
    Why do I get the feeling, that some cards are worth money, while others are not?
  • waitilltheytrytosellwaitilltheytrytosell Posts: 378 ✭
    nnpopp - It may have had a similar effect on the Kemp Rookie. There were hundreds graded a few years back which were all very short top to bottom that had been cut from strips that had once been cut too short. If you have 1000 people out there who want to own a Kemp rookie, a portion of them will be satisfied with anything they can buy cheap. If they all had to compete over authentic original examples, the available supply would be smaller, and the prices might not drop like they were printing them again.
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    Anyone serious about collecting a set learns over time the general availability of vending boxes,
    racks, and packs for the issue, as well as whether or not uncut sheets are still out there.

    Similarly, anyone serious about collecting a set would not buy BVG cards,
    in hopes of crossing them over to PSA, if they knew uncut sheets of the issue were still floating around.

    Just did a quick check on eBay of all graded football cards through the year 1969 up for auction.
    Interesting results :

    PSA - 86 %
    SGC - 6 %
    SCD - 4 %
    GAI - 2 %
    BVG + BGS - 2 %

    Of course, this is just a snap-shot, but it seems that Beckett's days are about over as graders of vintage cards.


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