My point about the disabled list was that a player whose play is affected by drugs or alcohol can easily be recognized and taken off the field.
Sorry, I'll have to disagree with this. I know growing up in Pittsburgh that players such as Doc Ellis in the early '70's, and Dave Parker, Rod Scurry and Dale Berra in the early '80's had substance abuse problems and in all cases it went on for quite a while (at least more than a year on the later group) before it was discovered and addressed by management.
Nick, I know people who party like rock stars every single weekend (which usually starts on a Wednesday, Monday if it is football season) and show up to the workplace looking clean as a whistle.
Baseball should have the authority to void a players contract if they cannot perform due to drug addiction.
dude - I got Rod Scurry's autograph in 1983 at a game. I was 10 at the time, and I could tell there was something seriously wrong with him. At the time, I didn't know enough to recognize that it was drug use. Looking back on it now, it was easy to see. I've only seen 1 other player up close who acted that way, and it was Alan Wiggins.
Sportswriters have publicly stated that they knew players like Dock Ellis, Bill Lee, Darrell Porter (who apparently did a TV interview once with cocaine residue below his nose), Wiggins, Dale Berra, Scurry, Steve Howe, Lonnie Smith, and many others were not clean and sober, but didn't publicly comment on it for fear of being shut out by the teams.
So did the management not know, or just not wish to publicly confront the problem?
He should have been eligible to be put on the HOF ballot all along, while still being banned from being active in the game.
Nobody has mentioned on this thread that Selig, hence baseball, decided to come up with the rule --that any player on the banned list be ineligible for HOF vote -- just to keep Rose out. This rule never existed before and was enacted to help them save face. To keep the all-time hit king out of the Hall of Fame is rediculous!!
And as for signs on every club house wall, maybe they should have these signs in every clubhouse:
"Card-playing while baseball game is going on is prohibited....OK, Ricky ?"
If Pete is kept out of hall, then so should all those players in the 50's that had pepper games....there were signs prohibiting that in every park, too!
I think the irony is that Rose, the epitome of: competitiveness, going 100% 100% of the time, refusing to lose, a man's love for a kid's game, is considered harmful to baseball, rather than the real jokes; Bud Selig (who once owned a team while being commissioner), Faye (what have you ever done for baseball) Vincent, and Bart (vendetta) Giamatti.
it is a HOF rule, not a baseball rule that inelligibe players can not be elected. This is from the official site baseballhalloffame.org:
3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:
A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election. Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A). Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball. In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first. Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.
Rose broke the cardinal rule, betting. If it wasn't for Babe Ruth's tremendous persona in the the 20's, the Blacksox scandal could have very well ruined baseball.
I watched the Rose interview last night. He was pathetic. He's trying to sell books, period.
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My point about the disabled list was that a player whose play is affected by drugs or alcohol can easily be recognized and taken off the field.
Nick
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Sorry, I'll have to disagree with this. I know growing up in Pittsburgh that players such as Doc Ellis in the early '70's, and Dave Parker, Rod Scurry and Dale Berra in the early '80's had substance abuse problems and in all cases it went on for quite a while (at least more than a year on the later group) before it was discovered and addressed by management.
Baseball should have the authority to void a players contract if they cannot perform due to drug addiction.
Sportswriters have publicly stated that they knew players like Dock Ellis, Bill Lee, Darrell Porter (who apparently did a TV interview once with cocaine residue below his nose), Wiggins, Dale Berra, Scurry, Steve Howe, Lonnie Smith, and many others were not clean and sober, but didn't publicly comment on it for fear of being shut out by the teams.
So did the management not know, or just not wish to publicly confront the problem?
Nick
Reap the whirlwind.
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Nobody has mentioned on this thread that Selig, hence baseball, decided to come up with the rule --that any player on the banned list be ineligible for HOF vote -- just to keep Rose out. This rule never existed before and was enacted to help them save face. To keep the all-time hit king out of the Hall of Fame is rediculous!!
And as for signs on every club house wall, maybe they should have these signs in every clubhouse:
"Performance-enhancing drugs strictly prohibited, others OK"
"Card-playing while baseball game is going on is prohibited....OK, Ricky ?"
If Pete is kept out of hall, then so should all those players in the 50's that had pepper games....there were signs prohibiting that in every park, too!
I think the irony is that Rose, the epitome of: competitiveness, going 100% 100% of the time, refusing to lose, a man's love for a kid's game, is considered harmful to baseball, rather than the real jokes; Bud Selig (who once owned a team while being commissioner), Faye (what have you ever done for baseball) Vincent, and Bart (vendetta) Giamatti.
it is a HOF rule, not a baseball rule that inelligibe players can not be elected. This is from the official site baseballhalloffame.org:
3. Eligible Candidates — Candidates to be eligible must meet the following requirements:
A baseball player must have been active as a player in the Major Leagues at some time during a period beginning twenty (20) years before and ending five (5) years prior to election.
Player must have played in each of ten (10) Major League championship seasons, some part of which must have been within the period described in 3 (A).
Player shall have ceased to be an active player in the Major Leagues at least five (5) calendar years preceding the election but may be otherwise connected with baseball.
In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.
Any player on Baseball's ineligible list shall not be an eligible candidate.
Rose broke the cardinal rule, betting. If it wasn't for Babe Ruth's tremendous persona in the the 20's, the Blacksox scandal could have very well ruined baseball.
I watched the Rose interview last night. He was pathetic. He's trying to sell books, period.