Toned Morgan People: How does this type occur?

nwcs

Yes, this is one I picked up today that I didn't post earlier. I hope no one minds my sharing these. Also, these are authentic. If you could see them in person and see the subtlety and how the toning lies within the devices (specifically the pits of the letters and motto) you could see how real it is. There is a bit of green that can't be seen in a pic this small that helps mark it as authentic.

But what I'm curious about is how this type of toning occurs. All the toned $s I got today were in an old dansco album from a guy in AL who had been collecting toned morgans for a long time. Quite a selection. Cherry picked the best ones. Anyway, how does this pattern/coloration occur? Especially when you consider the obverse? Note, pic taken through saflip.

Dog97

The obv is toned from the Dansco and I can't explain the rev. It looks like it has been cleaned & retoned. That's the one I would bet would NG when you send them in. Keep us posted.

nwcs

When I look at it close up, it doesn't have that feel of cleaned/retoned. There are subtleties of color that aren't picked up on a small graphic. Even the way it lays on the fields vs. devices matches all the toned guys I have. Still, whether it gets slabbed or not, I like it.

Dog97

It looks almost just like one I have. On mine the pict looks purple but first hand it's not as purple as the pict looks, just a very light shade of purple and what looks blue on my peripf is really kinda greenish tinted like you said yours is. I always thought the color looked funny and figured it would NG if I ever sent it in but if yours passes muster then I'll send mine in. Here's an attachment:

nwcs

Mine, overall, is a lot darker. When you put the halogen on it, you see the color really come out, but without that light, it looks near black. I like the look of yours. It sure seems to have the same type of progression with the cyan and magenta-turned-purple. How does the toning lie within the protected areas? Mine has several wisps of green around the top that partially fill in letters (like the o in God) while purple is in the rest of the area of the letter. Both in the motto and in the USA text. What kind of toning is on the rim of yours?

Dog97

Mine looks dark too but in incandescent it lights up. The rims are blue green all the way up to the wreath. Kinda thin & translucent, not solid like my pict shows. The tone is the same on the tops of the devices as it is in the protected areas thats why I figured mine was AT but album tone isn't always different colors in the protected areas like it is on bag tone but mine is white on the obv so it's probably not album tone. And the progression from green to purple is really sudden like it was done really fast, not like a gradual progression that took years & years. Mine's an 86-P btw.

michael

just from the scan and i would need to see the coin in person to really tell as scans are really deceptive but the obverse looks like a classic dip and then the coin was not rinsed properly and retoned like this in a holder because of the dip! the reverse looks to me to be also and of course dipped and then purposely and a quick classic purple that shade of purple retoning job!

again this coin may look different in person so the above is a guesstimate based only on the scan

sincerely michael

Placid

Never heard of a improper dip rinse causing toning before.
Learn something new everyday.

nwcs

Dips can make a coin tone, but they have a different structure than what I see here. I was going back over some of the literature I have and I just don't see it being dip toning. Especially as you look at the edges and rim. Also, there is much more subtlety of color than you can see here. And the transitions of it, and where, are enough to convince me. (could be fooling me, I'll see when I submit it next month). I know that purple is usually a warning sign, but not always. Doesn't look like a retone, it seems to really go into the surface.