Error people, can you tell me what this is?

nwcs

I was ready to throw back some of the dimes I had kept for reasons unknown and saw this one. On the obverse, there are 4 raised areas to the left of the portrait. In the pic, I highlight where they are, but can be difficult to see. There is a raised area over his eyebrow, over his nose, under his nose (looks like he needs a kleenex), and one that comes up from his lower lip to look like a fang. I'm thinking clashed die. Am I right? Also, this is one of the heaviest die polished coins I've seen, or am I mistaken? Take a look at the rev and tell me why it is so die polished? Yes, each line is raised on the surface. Is this coin worth keeping?

Thanks,

Neil

airplanenut

Mr. Franklin has gotten the chicken pox...

danglen

I don't see this as a Mint error. The four "bumps" you show could not have been formed in the pressing of the coin, because you would have had to had recesses in the field of the die to do so. Not likely, at least not in those areas and those configurations. Just my opinion... The die polish lines are pretty striking for a coin this small!

coppercoins

It's a die clash, where the two dies hit each other without a planchet between them and transferred their designs to one another. The reverse doesn't show it because of the heavy polishing (the lines) to remove the marks.

nwcs

When I look at them under 16x, it sure does look like part of the reverse leaves, though. The one under his nose has a subtle line through it where the rev leaf has a line through it.

nwcs

So is this something to keep as a curiosity or slab and sell for big bucks?

coppercoins

Don't blow your milk money on it...that's about all it's worth, maybe $5 to a really zealous error collector (which I'm not). They are somewhat common.

Cam40

I think its die clash.If you could superimpose the reverse and flip it 180 degrees over the obverse( Tad did this once to show a die clash SBA) things might line up.
Neat coin.There seem to be alot going on with it.Whats the area (die crack?) on the obverse at 3:00
Worth keeping?Only to me.Send it this way.

nwcs

Nah, it's a bit of lint over there from 1989 when I stapled this guy shut. Only a $5 coin, though. I wonder if I can come up with a great story and sell it on ebay for $150?

coppercoins

<< <i>you would have had to had recesses in the field of the die to do so. >>



Exactly what happened. The field of the reverse die punched into the obverse die creating a shadow hub-like image. When the coin was struck, it again reversed the relief creating depressions on the coin where the reverse would normally have relief.

Negative (die) hits object (other die), leaves positive. That positive hits object (coin), leaves negative.

coppercoins

<< <i>Nah, it's a bit of lint over there from 1989 when I stapled this guy shut. Only a $5 coin, though. I wonder if I can come up with a great story and sell it on ebay for $150? >>



Anything's possible on eBay. You could tout it as the "rare double lips variety" and make a mint on the "eBay bidiots".

Other possible variety names:

1. Eating leaves variety.
2. Roosy leaves variety.
3. UFOs in field variety.

My creativity isn't as astute as the late Frank Spadone who created hundreds of such varieties with little knowledge of the minting process...he sold lots of books though.

nwcs

Actually, I think this is more of the fanged president or the presendent who needs a kleenex. Where is kincoin when you need him?!?!?!

ClarkOfKent

Ok.... I took the two images... sized 'em, rotated 'em.... tweaked 'em.... etc. Pulled all the tricks out of photoshop magic bag. I couldn't get any of the designs to match up. Not even if I squinted and used my imagination.

coppercoins

Do a horizontal flip on the reverse then a vertical flip. They should match up...give a bit for possible die rotation. Remember, it's not only upside down, it's also reversed.

nwcs

Hmm, maybe there is something else going on here? Glad I didn't cast this back into the sea of commerce.

ClarkOfKent

coppercoins,

You make a good point. Perhaps I was too hasty. I'll give it another go.