BST forum vs Set Reg forum

BJ

The PCGS Set Registry forum was designed as an educational forum and a place where the Set Registry collecting community could "meet" one another. Over the months more and more solicitation is being conducted in this forum and with that more and more complaints are coming my way.

This forum should remain relatively free of commerce. My suggestion is that if you have Set Registry quality coins you would like to offer to Registry members, that you occasionally provide a link to your list of coins for sale which you have posted on the BST board or provide a link to your website. The BST forum is designed especially to meet your buying, selling, and trading needs.

If anyone has a huge objection to this policy, please let me know what your specific complaints are in reference to using the BST forum and I will try my best to address your needs.

MoneyLA

BJ I will follow the rule from now on. thanks.

Mitch, this is screaming for your response!!

cheers, alan

Fairlaneman

Hmmm.....How many more times will we go through this ? Folks if you do not like the thread do not open it. Scroll right past the darn thing.

Ken

Edit to Add:

What the heck is a Registry Set Coin anyway. People here collect anywhere from PO1's to MS70's in thier sets. Seems like All coins are Registry Set Quality.

fantasiize

BJ,

Does Registry Set quality have any minimum grade with it (i.e. can Braddick list his P01 coins, does it apply to anything that PCGS has slabbed, does it have to retail over $1,000) ? Also, is occasionally 24 hours, 2 days, a week, a month ?

I never sell here (I always do it on the B/S/T boards) but I want to make sure of the requirements ...

cointime

Bj,

We have always wanted 1st crack at the real Registry coins... Top notch. To wade through all those ttt replies to get to the real juice is a pain. I mostly post over there, but my threads get bumped to the next page sometimes in minutes. I for one like to see the cream of the crop offers here. Frankly I don't see as many new threads here as when I started and feel it fills the void. Just MHO

Ken

Spooly

Oh, boy! BJ runs in.... tosses some matches on a power keg!

Fairlaneman

Maybe the coins should be called "Coins of Interest for Registry Sets."

Fairlaneman

Spooly:

Fun Time again on the Registry Board.

TomB

Howdy BJ, perhaps you are not familiar with the PCGS definition of the Registry Forum:

<< <i>For discussions about PCGS registry sets - building them, buying them, selling them , collecting them. >>

The italics for selling them are mine to give it emphasis. If I remember correctly, this Board started because of the sometimes vitriolic exchanges between one of its leading coin sellers and some other folks who didn't believe modern coins had any numismatic value back on the US Coin Board. Seems to me that this Board is being used for exactly what its stated intentions are. That is, any PCGS coin can be registered, and, therefore, any PCGS coin should be allowed sold here. I would shudder to think that you might be posting this thread so that one of the leading proponents of Registry collecting could have a cleaner path for advertisement.

dbldie55

Well said Tom. Much cleaner than the version I would have written.

Fairlaneman

Suttle Tom, Very Suttle.

Hey how are you ? Got a Great Toned Merc yesterday. They are getting harder to find.

Ken

wondercoin

BJ: I know you are seeking to do what is in the best interests of this board and I will support whatever decision that is

Of course, the precise rules of this Registry Forum invite the offering of Registry coins to fellow collectors and has done so FROM DAY ONE. Indeed, when the issue was raised before (and before that), the members of this board overwhemingly voiced their support for the continued ability to offer certified coins for sale on this board - not raw coins, not rolls of coins, not bags of coins, not mint sets, not proof sets, etc., etc. - simply certified coins (and tacitly PCGS certified coins - you notice how few non-PCGS coins are offered on these boards).

The BST board is, IMHO, flooded with offerings for all the kinds of coin offerings not being offered here, as well as slabs. There you can buy raw coins, rolls, bags, mint sets, proof sets, etc, etc. Here the offerings are for neat PCGS coins, like the MS69 state quarter I posted tonight or the pop 1 PR70 state quarter Cameo CC posted the other day. EXACTLY WHAT COMPLAINTS ARE YOU RECEIVING? Why are they "secret" complaints? This is PCGS' Corporate Board - who is telling PCGS what to do and who is telling PCGS to ignore the rules that have been in place since day 1 on the Registry Set board? Please tell us what do you believe the motivation is behind these complaints? Help us understand what the "problem" is you are facing.

Typetone sold off around $50k worth of Ikes on this board in a couple days a short while ago. Board members were very pleased to have first shot at those coins and essentially bought them all quickly. Dennis sold off most of an entire top shelf type set on these boards the other day to the joy of nearly everyone (check the thread to see how few board members complained). I might sell an MS69 state quarter tonight to a board member. Last week, I bought several thousand dollars of coins from a board member who posted an offering on the board. And, with all due respect, what is the "problem" exactly? BJ, have you noticed that the buy/sell of coins has actually been the smoothest running threads on this board for most of this year? Have you seen a single ANACS coin offered for sale here? Have you seen a single PCI coin, or ICG, etc? And, very, very few NGC coins as well. It appears to me folks have followed the rules admireably, even the "unwritten rule" that PCGS coins should really be the ones offered here since the Registry only accepts PCGS coins.

IMHO, you would be doing a great disservice to this board to have the very, very few members who have written you to change the longstanding policy interfere with the great majority of board members who truly enjoy the ability to offer and purchase coins on this board. Wondercoin.

fantasiize

I think Greg M's visionary prowess is needed here ... let me put on my Maroon slippers, click three times and hope he shows up ...

dbldie55

I think BJ is saying to clean things up, you know, things like making multiple listings, all with one coin for sale, within a few minutes of each other. I know others were blasted for doing this on the forum. These people never post here anymore and just use the BST forum.

braddick

I like the idea of seeing, first shot, Registry coins offered here. Admittingly, if I see a title for a coin (example, Mitch's MS69 State quarter), I don't need to open the Thread up- no problem.

This forum doesn't receive the run of activity that would preclude the need to severely limit offering Registry coins.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And never fear- the only ones selling my PCGS PO01 coins will be my children- many (hopefully) years from now. And, boy- are they in for a rude awakening.

RELLA

BJ,

The problem here IMHO is that neither I nor anyone else is ever going to send you a message stating "I just wanted to let you know that as far as I am concerned the trading (buying/selling) function inherent in the set registry forum message board is functioning as it should be. Self restraint and self-policing of sellers is at a very high level, many great coins are being offered and exchanged and the users of this board are for the most part completely satisfied." It is usually easier to kill a good idea than it is to start one or to nuture it and let it grow...it is human nature to be vocal about situations that one dislikes and to be silent about situations that one generally approves of. Why not start a poll here to find the true feelings of the regular users of this forum; I think it would elicit less biased feedback about B/S/T activities on this board than you would see from unsolicited PMs and emails.

RELLA

gmarguli

I think Greg M's visionary prowess is needed here ... let me put on my Maroon slippers, click three times and hope he shows up ...

I think you just want me to stir the pot a little. And I used to have maroon slippers, but because of the color they blended into my feet and it looked like I was barefoot. Kept getting told to leave 7-11's and told to come back after I put shoes on...

Anyway, I find coins for sale in this forum is rather annoying. Before it used to be a minor inconvenience, but now this entire forum is filled with "Wanted, For Sale, On Ebay, Looking For, etc". A quick look found 36% of threads on the first page were posts of this nature. 36%

That 36% is only threads that were very obvious they fell into the above categories. Who knows how many others were of this nature, but they had an innocuous title.

Not to pick on wondercoin, but he made two posts:
1953(s) Franklin Half Dollar (PCGS-MS66FBL)
2002(p) Indiana State Quarter (PCGS-MS69)

I can't tell which one if a "for sale" and which one is information. I opened the Franklin thread hoping to buy the coin (not really), but you get my point.



"For sale" posts clutter up this forum too much. Perhaps a B/S/T Registry Forum where only true registry set quality coins (whatever the hell that actually means) are offered. No rolls or mint sets.

Multiple threads from the same seller both here and on the B/S/T forum should be banned. One thread with 10 coins is OK. Ten threads each with one coin is not. Nothing but clutter.


As long as this forum doubles as a selling post, then NGC coins SHOULD be allowed here. So should ANACS, ICG, PCI, SEGS, ACG, raw, and any other combination. After all, do you people collect plastic or coins? Besides, if someone buys it here, they'll likely try to put it in a PCGS slab for their PCGS-only registry set. In fact, low quality/price coins should also be allowed here. After all, who are you or anyone to say that a coin isn't registry quality.

Just my ever so humble opinion...

wondercoin

"A quick look found 36% of threads on the first page were posts of this nature. 36%"

Greg: Then, look at page 2 with 0%! I truly believe the coin offers picked up a bit this past week with the "changing of the guard" at PCGS. There have been many PR70 offerings for the "first time in ages", as the coins are being graded now for the "first time in ages". Other than an occasional "Wanted" post, actually I have personally offered relatively very few coins on the Registry Forum over the past 90-180 days.

As I mentioned at the very top of my first post, I am very comfortable with whatever the rule is going to be on offering coins. I simply pointed out that the "squeeky wheel shouldn't get the grease", when the rest of the "car" (as RELLA puts it) is running smoothly Wondercoin

lincolnSence

Well Greg - the time has come. I completely agree with you!!!!!!!! Please don't go back and edit your reply.

gmarguli

Greg: Then, look at page 2 with 0%!

I did. 25% were of the "Wanted, For Sale, On Ebay, Looking For, etc" nature. I set my page to 45 threads.

Again, I wasn't picking on you or singling you out. Most of the "Wanted, For Sale, On Ebay, Looking For, etc" were from other people. I just picked your two posts since a person couldn't tell what their purpose was without opening them.

wondercoin

"BJ I will follow the rule from now on. thanks.

Mitch, this is screaming for your response!!

cheers, alan"

Alan: Maybe there is another plausible explanation of what is going on here. DHRC was just a few hours away from getting the MoneyLA "Roosie Dime hoard" when you offered the dimes to forum members one "last chance". You sold them and DHRC lost a major consignment. Your Roosies were the "last straw"




Only kidding guys. Wondercoin

MoneyLA

Mitch: thanks for posting the response to BJ's -- it was well written and to the point. I agree with you and most others that registry coin buy and sell offers belong on the registry forum.

But if BJ is now laying down a new law, then I will follow the new law.

Like many of you, I have also bought and sold registry coins in this forum. And I think the practice should continue HERE. In fact, before I sold my proof silver Washington set in a private sale-- which at the time was #1 current finest and all time finest -- I also offered it on this forum.

By the way Mitch, Ive been sending you PMs and you have not responded. What's up?

cheers, and happy holidays, alan mendelson

wondercoin

Alan: I just checked my PM's and there was just -1- PM from you that I did not respond to. Sorry about that - it looks like it came in just around the time I was getting back from Santa Clara and finishing up with the auctions.

Baseball: I made a separate thread for the MS69 state quarter and MS68 Kennedy Half because they were so special in their own particular series, but, in retrospect, I should have posted them in a single thread. I'll try not to have that happen again and please remind me if I mess up Wondercoin

Typetone

BJ:

I think the offering of PCGS certified coins and the posting of want lists for PCGS certified coins is appropriate on this board. Several members, myself included would prefer the exclusion of threads directing us to ebay or Teletrade auctions. However, the actual offering of coins here seems fine. As Mitch pointed out, I was able to quickly sell an expensive group of IKEs though a thread here and on the B/S/T Board. Mitch is also correct when he says that offerings quickly move off page one of the B/S/T Board. When exceptional coins are offered here they can be seen longer.

Greg

relayer

Actually the Registry Forum was pretty much dead until last week when lots of Registry Quality coins for sale showed up.

How about a new Registry Quality B/S/T Forum?

LucyBop

I am one who would vote for Registry coins being allowed here, but it was pointed out to me in one of the threads it was a NGC coin being offered, I don't think that should have been posted in this Forum.

IrishMike

I posted a thread on this the other day, some people are using this for free advertisement , complete with links to their auctions and non PCGS coins. I never see these folks do anything but post coins for sale. These should be moved to the b/s/t boards. I see nothing wrong with offering quality coins for sale here unless that is all this becomes, a selling site. I do agree, however that lately there seems to have been some latitude taken. I suppose this is natural and will continue off and on.

A couple of extraneous thoughts: coins weren't born with slabs around them, someone picked through rolls to make a lot of these registry quality pop top coins, this was added because of all the posts I see begging people or daring them to search through rolls as a justification for the fleeting prices of newly made pop tops, and now are taking the opposite direction now, kinda confuses me.

No, I didn't complain to BJ, I put my thoughts out here for all to see. I don't even know how to msg BJ or Carol.

DAM

If you're going to let one, you must let them all. Even if it's because they don't offer PCGS coins. Leo just put up a nice set of ANACS nickels. Maybe he'd be interested in another one, if one was offered.

I've purchased coins from offers on this board, as well as coins off of the BST board. Allowing personal ads here only clutters things up. Put a note that you've got something for sale on the BST and leave it at that. To give folks from this board a chance first, put a message here what you're going to sell on the BST, before you list it.

Just a thought

DeepCoin

I would like to add that the Merc group here is quite active with regard to "Registry" coins. I have bought and sold a number of them (small $$) here. I think that we would be limitiing ourselves by changing what has been the normal operating standard here and that a few vocal complaints have caused this.

The volume of threads is not so high that we are corrupting the forum. I don't collect moderns, but I have no problem with the activity by some of the other members here. This is a cyclical issue and I just hope we can get past it one more time and leave things the way they are.

Spooly

BJ, thanks for waking the members up! The board has been very slow, it's good to see these guys can still type.

I think we need a POll!

mdwoods

think BJ is saying to clean things up, you know, things like making multiple listings, all with one coin for sale, within a few minutes of each other. I know others were blasted for doing this on the forum. These people never post here anymore and just use the BST forum.

Nicely put, I like the fact that I can find high end PCGS Registry quality coins here. I also think that sellers can put all such coins in one post. It is very easy to miss these types of posts on the BST forum where things change so quickly. mdwoods

tompkins

We have this discussion every three months or so. And repeatedly the concensus on the overwhelming majority is that high quality (so-called "registry quality" , whatever that means) coins for sale should be allowed here. Unfortunately, because of the nature of BJ's job, she is much more likely to receive email from people who are upset than from people who think everything is running well---just the nature of a customer-facing job. So it is fair to say that her email in many cases does NOT reflect the true sentiment of the board's population. This thread appears to confirm that: the majority (not all, mind you, but the majority) of the posts in this thread are in favor of some continued posting of sales here. After all, who is going to send an email every month or two saying "BJ; keep up the good work. And by the way I really like the coin for sale ads on the regiustry board."? Maybe we should (she certainly deserves the kudos), but we typically do not.

In my opinion, sales from a single seller should probably be consolidated (though Mitch raises a valid point about two high quality coins that are so different that maybe they warrant separate threads). And, in general, a seller should let well enough alone once he has posted his thread rather than repeated moving it up to the top. One thread, recently, was moved up several times by the seller, usually adding new coins. In my opinion, you can edit it; edit the title to indicate the new coins; but it starts to look too much like the B/S/T board if you also push it to the top once a day.

Just my opinion and I will abide by whatever the rules end up being. Though, if ads are totally eliminated from this board, I would like to see someplace where only registry quality coins are advertised --- maybe extend that, for sake of having a definition, to include any graded slabbed coin.

Pete

BJ

Pete is absolutely correct. I don't hear from the so-called "silent majority." I generally only get the complaints, although I have to say when I did scan the forum yesterday, what I saw was a lot of selling and not a lot of coin-speak.

However, I have maintained from day one that this forum is yours. Why don't you tell me what you think the policy should be with regards to how coins should be listed for sale on this forum. Once in agreement, I'll post that policy as part of the definition for this forum.

MoneyLA

Actually, the system has been working quite well. Why not just leave it -- no new policy statement -- and we'll go our merry, numismatic way?? cheers, and happy holidays, alan mendelson

Aaron04

When I come to this forum it's usually to look for merc threads to read and to look for coins that are for sale.Rarely ( practically never ) do I look in the buy sell and trade forum.I like to deal with the people who post here not only because I know them well but also do to the high end material being offered here.My only complaint is that Mitch doesnt put up enough 1932 - 1964 PCGS MS67 Washington's for sale

lincolnSence

I have no problem stating that I believe it works MUCH BETTER when items are consolidated and NOT ttt'd. This would include gratuitous comments and additions OBVIOUSLY designed to bring the thread back up to the top. IMHO of course.

mdwoods

This would include gratuitous comments and additions OBVIOUSLY designed to bring the thread back up to the top.

I have been guilty of doing this, but I still see no problem if the thread is near the bottom of the page. Of course, everyones page can be different depending on how you customize the number of threads per page. I will be more judicious in the use of ttt. mdwoods

dpoole

I agree that it is helpful to have people let us know about Registry Set coins for sale here. It is too difficult to weed through all the other stuff and the Ebay ads on the B/S/T Board.

I think the folks here have been doing a pretty good job of defining "whatever those are" (i.e., Registry Set coins) in our reactions to the sale posts that have gone up. And to that extent, I think we've done a good-enough job policing ourselves, and banishing consensus inappropriate sales practices for Registry types, to B/S/T.

You can always refer the complainant back to this Board, to post a discussion and see where the consensus is about one seller or another.

If we can't settle it among ourselves, we can always go crying to Mommy BJ.

cointime

Bj,

This was the out come the last time in June when we had the same discussion. The funny thing is the majority then as now felt the same way. That it was ok to post sales but they should be in an appropriately manner. Yet PCGS felt otherwise. Should be interesting to see what happens this time. IMHO if you pull all the FS and the Merc threads, this board would be quite bland. Some of these top pop coins offered here I think stimulate members to post.

Ken


edited to add: BJ,
Everyone can always find something to complain about. I found something...Food for thought. If someone can not only sell coins on the BS&T board, but their whole shop. Can I list a couple condos if a small amount of change is left on the night stand?

merz2

BJ
I have been a firm supporter of the offering of coins on this board.I've even solicited a coin on this board.I see nothing wrong with it.I don't know who complained,and don't want to know.They have their opinion.The majority has spoken on this issue.I'm sure you'll see this as responses come in.

Coinster

I agree this board should allow the selling of PCGS slabbed coins (and only PCGS slabbed due to the nature of the forum: PCGS Set Registry) and not only in the super high grade (unobtainable by most registry set participants) but in all grades as I personally do not believe in the term "registry set quality". All the other selling 'ads' should go to the B/S/T board. These include the "now on Ebay","in the next Teletrade","these coins consigned to", and of course all other 'packaged' or raw coins for sale. In addition, the title of any thread selling a PCGS slabbed coin must specify it is a coin for sale. Just my 13 cents worth.......

Happy Holidays all!
John

BJ

Thank you all for your feedback. It is pretty clear to me that you wish this board to remain status quo and that you are able to self-monitor it with no problem. Therefore, from my perspective, no further action is needed.

BowAxe

BJ has spoken and it appears that we may continue with business as usual. Just an afterthought -- almost all of this discussion has addressed the offering of coins for SALE; it appears that no one has much of an objection to people advertising coins that they wish to BUY. I do this by re-posting my short want list every 3 or 4 weeks, on the Registry board as well as on the BST board.

Regarding announcements of coins appearing for sale on ebay or Teletrade: I personally appreciate it when someone calls my attention to a coin that they know I specifically would be interest in, but I would much rather have this done by means of an individual PM to me rather than by a general announcement to the community. There have been several instances when other members have made me aware of such offerings by means of a PM.

Dell