What's Wrong With This Picture?

CouchP

I posted earlier and had already won this ACG slabbed Dime. Now that I am learning a bit more, I wonder what is wrong. I mean, PCGS price for this coin as rated is $275. It is Rated MS66 FB. Have I really got a good steal here, or what? I can't find any wair or damage except for a few very small contact marks on the Obverse.

Not only does it seem to be an MS66FB it may actually be an MS67FB from ANA descriptions. And, the obvers has beutiful toning on the full face save a white patch in her hair. Pretty easy to spot in 10x loop, but not without a loop.

Any opinions? Is it worth PCGS Slabbing? Did I somehow get ripped without knowing it?




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KlectorKid

If u think its MS-67 i would get it graded but i dont think it is possable. can u post a larger picture? its a nice coin but i dont think it is even an MS-66.

Placid

The picture is too small for me to see the bands well.
I wouldn't think it would grade 66 based on the picture in my opinion.
Sometime pictures don't pick up detail very well thou.

jakemrjr

only thing I can tell you is that the PCGS price of $275 doesn't mean much. A better average price for a 66 FB is Probably more around $150.

airplanenut

If it is MS, I don't think it is above 64- the ear looks very weak... could be wear (making it an AU coin) or it could be a weak strike (holding the grade back).

It is these reasons that we find ACG bad for the business... unfortunately, you almost guaranteed didn't get a good deal- it is my belief that the coin is probably overgraded enough that you did pay too much... but everyone does that... send us a better scan when it arrives and stay here... you'll learn quickly

In the meantime, JUST SAY NO TO ACG

Jeremy

Russ

Probably an AU coin, or cleaned, or some other problem. If it were decent, it wouldn't be in an ACG slab.

Russ, NCNE

Lakesammman

Judging by the details on the obv (esp. the hair), I wouldn't even have guessed unc. Also, why the reverse so different than the rev - usually its the rev. that has the most toning....let us know what it looks like in person when it arrives.

Iwog

From my experience, Accugrade coins which appear to be consistant with a similar PCGS grade are almost always whizzed or abrasively cleaned. The luster looks pretty sucky for an MS66 Merc. so that may be the problem here. I would give 50 to 1 odds against it crossing to a PCGS MS66.

Just remember, this guy was willing to take $10 for a $275 coin. He's not a chump that just happened to pick up a bargain, he's a large coin dealer who sells PCGS, ANACs, and NGC slabs all the time. Cross your fingers, but I'm guessing it has problems.

CouchP

I have the coin already. Not having another MS66 or even close Merc, I tried to compare the field to an MS65 NTC Ike. I see no sign of abrasives. The Luster is there with full cartwheels. The band has solid seperation throughout the entire band. The toning is even on the whole surface with magenta at the edges at 1 and 6:30.

I will take it to my dealer to see what he thinks and get back to you.

Bikingnut

In my opininion, it looks like the top bands are split, but as for the middle and bottom, I don't see it. The hair line on the obverse seems to have quite a bit of wear, in my opinion. It would probably grade no higher than straight 63 at PCGS, in my opinion. If you are new and don't know, ACG overgrades most of the time, that's a well known FACT. Oops there I go again. The ACG police are going to get me.

DMWJR

Yikes! Be careful with NTC also. They are yet to be proven. The only two I have bought were overgraded but the holder said 1878 7TF on the holder when they were both 8TF's!!!!!


I wound up getting a good deal only because the two screw ups canceled each other and the second one was more in my favor. The dealer never really looked at the coin inside the holder. and was just really trading plastic. I was buying coins, not plastic.

Don't forget, whether it's PCGS, NGC, ANACS, SEGS, PCI, NTC, ACG . . . . or whatever, it's just another man's opinion -- he could be wrong.

I would recommend that you pick a series you like and stick with it for a while. Learn the differences between the years and mint marks within the series. The only way to develop your eye is to look at hundreds and hundreds of coins. If you stay in coin collecting for any length of time, you will need your OWN eye. Good thing is that you don't have to buy them all! If you decide to change series, your "eye" will adjust much quicker.

CouchP

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Russ

<< <i>Not having another MS66 or even close Merc, I tried to compare the field to an MS65 NTC Ike. >>



CouchP,

I hate to break it to you, but NTC may be the only grading service worse than ACG. They are also just as sleazy, with the owner of the company grading and selling his own coins just like Hager and ACG.

Russ, NCNE

relayer

It's hard to tell from the pictures, especially on the bands, but the ear wings look worn or maybe it was a real bad whiz job.

With ACG coins, I'm not sure if anybody actually tries and grades the coin or not, but the submitter writes in their grade and more than likely that's what shows on the cert.

So a coin in an ACG holder is like buying a raw coin and the grade on the holder is meaningless.

But if you want it in a 67 holder, just crack it out and resubmit it to AGC

airplanenut

An Ike is a bad comparison because:
1- stronger strikes
2- different (harder) metal
3- larger coin

NTC is a bad comparison because
1- like AGC, they suck... the only NTC I have would probably cross/maybe upgrade... but it is a 1957 PR66 1c... not valuable enough to be in plastic, in my opinion... I just like their look in plastic, so I bought the coin and paid a little extra for the plastic...

DMWJR

Russ - there's going to be another $50 bounty put on your head by NTC this time. I'm sure the AGC bounty has already made someone rich with AGC grading fees . . .

DMWJR

would probably cross/maybe upgrade

Ah, Jeremy . . . the seeds of doubt . . .

Conder101

After looking at the pictures in Placids post, I'd have to say I'd rather have CouchP's coin than the PCGS coin. I like the color on CouchP's dime and to me the PCGS coin just doesn't have any eye appeal and even looks like it has some spots.

braddick

DMWJR

Condor, I understand what you like about the coin, but technically there is no comparision, and when you get to the eye appeal part, it's merely opinion at that stage. I respect your opinion and disagree.

airplanenut

<< <i>would probably cross/maybe upgrade

Ah, Jeremy . . . the seeds of doubt . . . >>

I've compared it to a PCGS67... they look very similar... the fact
that I Think it could upgrade doesn't really matter, since we will never find out- you may doubt it, but the
coin is VERY clean

prooflike

The ACG coin looks weak at the high points, if it's a weak strike, wont grade above 65, if it's rub, then you have an AU coin. Can't see the FSB in the picture, but if the strike is that weak, kindda have to think the FSB aren;t there. But then the pic provided is garbage... The color is nice.

gemtone65

Dear CouchP: Take that dime, call your mother, and tell her you just failed grading 101. If the call is long distance, simply use your "ms65" NTC Ike for change.

And, repeat after me: " There are no ACG bargains, there are no ..."