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lilsun1lilsun1 Posts: 399
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Stated in ESPN the Magazine:

KOBE HAS A PROBLEM
He shoots? Lakers lose. He passes? Lakers lose. Remember how people said he was the next Jordan? Try next Pippen.

O so true...

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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    oh, someone who writes for the eastern sports programing network has something negative to say about kobe. What a supriseimage
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  • JoeBensonJoeBenson Posts: 4,005
    Kobe is no Jordan, he is no Pippen, he is the 2nd man on his team like Pippen, yes....BUT, he is about in between Jordan and Pippen, not quite either one....My 2 cents..
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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    kobe is kobe. Hes not as good as jordan, no one is close to as dominant as jordan except shaq. I dont even see what is so wrong with being compared to pippen to tell you the truth, he was the best player in the leauge when jordan was playing baseball and he was a dominant defender. These last few years should not take away from what a great player he used to be because he is injured.
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  • JoeBensonJoeBenson Posts: 4,005
    yep, Pippen IS top 50 all time, according to the last poll, so he is definately one helluva player, better defensively than Jordan, and had a solid Offensive game to go along with that
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  • Boxer24afvBoxer24afv Posts: 148
    Pippen was great(ugly but great) his time is starting to pass, but he is still a great role player. Kobe will never be Jordan, he has amazing skills but so far everything hasn't come together to make him a truly great player. Shaq on the other hand is as dominant of player as there has ever been. Jordan could take over a game but he wouldn't have had an answer for Shaq.
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  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159 ✭
    MY two cents. Michael had a Scottie and a half way decent center. Kobe has no backup and no center. If this team was made for kobe an not Shaq you would be seein' alot more wins.
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  • UndertakerUndertaker Posts: 5,200 ✭✭
    <<Michael had a Scottie and a half way decent center. Kobe has no backup and no center. If this team was made for kobe an not Shaq you would be seein' alot more wins.>>

    oh my God that's the biggest pile of horsecrap I've ever heard
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  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159 ✭
    how so??? They are playing w/out a real center. I am not talking a great one. Just one that can play. They have no threats beside kobe
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  • nowitzkinowitzki Posts: 763
    there is too much ego on the floor with kobe and shaq out there. That is why there is nobody else on the team but roleplayers. Superstar Kobe isn't a superstar is he. I'll bet the team would be at least .500 with shaq instead of kobe.
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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    no, kobe isnt a superstarimage Its too bad the lakers dont have nowitzki instead of kobe, at least then they would lead the leauge in being soft.
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  • nowitzkinowitzki Posts: 763
    Yes, rooks, I agree. A very soft 22 pts a game and 11 rebounds. What a wuss?

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  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159 ✭
    10 and 0 wih fingers still bare
    get him a ring and I will begin to care
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    WOW that rhymed.
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  • nowitzkinowitzki Posts: 763
    Rick Fox has them too.
    So does S. Walker.

    Anybody that was on the team with Shaq got them.

    I guess you think Barkley wasn't good too. Are are you old enough to know who Barkley is?
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  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159 ✭
    Yes I know who barkley is. I also nw whoDi sand Dirk isn't good enough to shine brly's shoes. Kobe has done better then anyone in the league could without a big man on the team.
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  • lilsun1lilsun1 Posts: 399


    << <i>Yes I know who barkley is. I also nw whoDi sand Dirk isn't good enough to shine brly's shoes. Kobe has done better then anyone in the league could without a big man on the team. >>



    not true, McGrady has done better with no big man...
  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    dirk is a great players but his playoff performance was very pathetic last year. Not only was he soft on defense but he couldnt hit his shots either, he completely choked. Until he proves he can play in the playoffs, he will be considered soft and weak.
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  • NikeBasketballNikeBasketball Posts: 373
    Lol, And what would happen to the Lakers if Shaq were injured come playoff time?

    I'll give you a hint.

    Swept.image

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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    kobe has come through in the clutch with shaq out in the playoffs. Game 4 vs. pacers when shaq fouled out, who took over the game? Who had the game winning shot against the nets in game 3 last year? Shq was also hobbled last year and kobe had to pick up the scoring in many of the playoff games where shaq would only have around 20 points. Say what you want about kobe but he comes through in the playoffs every time. Dirk almost got swept last year by the kings and he has michael finley, steve nash, raef lafrenz, van exel, etc.
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  • UofAWildcatFanUofAWildcatFan Posts: 805

    8Kobe said :

    << MY two cents. Michael had a Scottie and a half way decent center. Kobe has no backup and no center. If this team was made for kobe an not Shaq you would be seein' alot more wins. >>

    << <<how so??? They are playing w/out a real center. I am not talking a great one. Just one that can play. They have no threats beside kobe >> >>

    This a typical response from a typical Kobe fan. 8Kobe if you are younger then 25 then you really have no rights talking anything about Jordan. If you're younger then 25 you didn't watch Jordan his whole career.

    What half decent center are you talking about?? Bill Cartwright?? Horace Grant?? Brian Williams?? Luc Longley?? Could you even name these 4 centers from their championship runs?? Doubt it. These centers were all made by Jordan. Without Jordan all of these centers faded out of the league.

    The fact is Jordan MADE people around him play better. The feat is usually only accomplished by a stud point guard or dominant center. Kobe does not do this for his teamates. Shaq does for the whole Lakers squad, especially Kobe. The whole team has better stats with Shaq in the game.

    We all know Kobe is far from being the next Michael Jordan. A player like TMac or Vince Carter whom both have no surrounding cast are closer to being the next Jordan then Kobe is. Kobe has Shaq, as long as he plays with Shaq he will never be considered someone to complare to Michael Jordan.
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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    tmac is as good as kobe offensively, but vince carter? Are you kidding me. His team plays better when he is out. You are forgetting that jordan had pippen who was the second best player in the leauge at the time and the best defender in the leauge. When you have the two best players on the same team, you dont need any more great players, just role players who do their jobs. The bulls also always had decent centers. Cartwright and longley were not great but they were more than servicable and played their roles very well. The lakers are the exact same way, they have the two best players and a bunch of role players.
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  • UofAWildcatFanUofAWildcatFan Posts: 805

    I never said Vince Carter was as good as Kobe offensively. I was making the point, that you completely overlooked, that Vince Carder is a more suitable canidate to call the next Michael Jordan then Kobe is. The reasoning for that is because Carter has no cast and Kobe has Shaq. Carter is the centerpiece of his team, just like Jordan was. Kobe is definetely not the centerpiece on the Lakers.

    Your other points are very valid rooks.

    I'll say this though. When Pippen was out the Bulls still won. Jordan always carried the Bulls no matter who was out.

    Kobe has been clutch in big games in his career but in no way does he carry the Lakers like Jordan carried the Bulls.
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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    I dont understand how carter is more suitable than kobe. He has always had a decent surrounding cast. This year the raptors have some pretty good players like mo pete. If being the next jordan is about carrying your team and making them better and playing defense as well as offense than carter should not even be talked about. His team has shown that they play just as well or even better when he is not there. I dont know why that is the case but it has been proven last year and they are playing well without him this year.
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  • nowitzkinowitzki Posts: 763


    << <i>kobe has come through in the clutch with shaq out in the playoffs. Game 4 vs. pacers when shaq fouled out, who took over the game? Who had the game winning shot against the nets in game 3 last year? Shq was also hobbled last year and kobe had to pick up the scoring in many of the playoff games where shaq would only have around 20 points. Say what you want about kobe but he comes through in the playoffs every time. Dirk almost got swept last year by the kings and he has michael finley, steve nash, raef lafrenz, van exel, etc. >>



    Kobe would not have been in the playoffs without Shaq.

    Who is Dallas' dominant Center? Come on, lmk.

    I'll bet Nowitzki, Nash, or Finley would have huge numbers if they shot the ball 30+ times a game. I'll also bet it would be more than 30 pts a game.

    Kobe is sporting around a very nice record while Shaq is out. If you take any top 15 player in the NBA and put them on the same team as Shaq, they would sport a ring also.
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  • NikeBasketballNikeBasketball Posts: 373


    << <i>kobe has come through in the clutch with shaq out in the playoffs. Game 4 vs. pacers when shaq fouled out, who took over the game? Who had the game winning shot against the nets in game 3 last year? Shq was also hobbled last year and kobe had to pick up the scoring in many of the playoff games where shaq would only have around 20 points. Say what you want about kobe but he comes through in the playoffs every time. Dirk almost got swept last year by the kings and he has michael finley, steve nash, raef lafrenz, van exel, etc. >>




    Well that leads to the question of, If Kobe were able to carry the Lakers in a clutch when they really needed him would'nt the Lakers be winning right now?
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  • JErik20JErik20 Posts: 1,502
    Rooks, are you dumb enough to believe that Pippen was the best player in the league when Jordan was retired?? Maybe you haven't heard of him, but there was this guy named Hakeem Olajuwon who was the 1st player in NBA history to be named the MVP, Finals MVP, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season. So give me a frikin break......

    Also Rooks, you obsess about Kobe but have a Bills icon...... do we have another fairweather fan who just roots for the good teams??? I think we do.....

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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    Nowitzki has a feaking all star team playing besides him and he still choked last year. Who is the starting center? Shawn Bradley who is playing well this year event though he might be the only player softer than nowitzki.
    Jerik, I grew up in l.a. genius. There is something called a profile and it shows where a person lives, if you managed to figure that out you would see that I live in saugus which is 30 miles north of la so I root for usc, the dodgers, the lakers and the bills. I figured someone who has been on this board for since sept. 2001 would have figured that out by now but I guess it was too much for you, no big deal. Is there a football team in la? I guess according to an idiot like you I cant root for anyone because there is no pro football team. Think before you post for once. Oh, and I just root for good teams? So you are saying the bills are a good team, just another sign of your high intelligence. Its just such a shame we cant all be as intelligent as you claim you are. You obsess with kobe more than I do. I only point out some facts when people like you throw out dumb statements like kobe sucks and then throw a little fit when I challenge them on it.
    Well that leads to the question of, If Kobe were able to carry the Lakers in a clutch when they really needed him would'nt the Lakers be winning right now? The lakers have only played 9 games, this is an 82 game season. Youre saying 27 points, 7 assists and 10 reboubnds a game isnt clutch?
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  • 8kobe8kobe Posts: 1,159 ✭
    Luc Longly as well as the other centers for the bulls were Centers. Kobe has no center. Name a true center on the team. Heck they have walker playing center alot of the time and he is no where big enough for that. They don't have anyone in the post at all.

    I watched MJ win many championships. I am old enough to know how good he is. I also had tapes at one time of every championship he won. He had good players on his team. Heck Dennis Rodman would be a better center then anyone of the Lakers team.

    I would like to thank Rooks who knows about basketball.


    He said this well "Nowitzki has a feaking all star team playing besides him and he still choked last year."

    Kobe would have won the Championship with that team.

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  • JoeBensonJoeBenson Posts: 4,005
    nah....8kobe, i have to disagree, your the same person who thinks its kobe's team, not shaq's your simply a kobe fan!! and can't knock him, he is great and all of us on the board should know, but i think there are a couple better than him....im not bias, and im not a kobe hater or anything, im not a band wagon.......by evidence of me liking the pirates....cant get much worse than them.....and if kobe was on the mavs last year and nowitkzi was on the lakers, lakers still would be champions.....and how can all of you call the rest role players, the true cluch player on the team was horry, if it wasnt for him, kings would have been world champs last year!!! and if you disagree with anything i said, your nothing more than a kobe fanatic who wont admit things about him...KOBES TEAM? LMAO
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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    if we disagree, we are nothing more than fanatics? Ok then anyone who says tmac is a better all around player is just a blind tmac fanatic and thats all there is to it. Nowitzki choked last year and he doesnt play good defense in the playoffs, so how would it have been the same with him?
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  • KOBEcollectorKOBEcollector Posts: 3,873 ✭✭
    just thought i'd add a little here image

    some recent quotes from the great one in the OC Register Paper

    "His numbers don't lie " , Jordan said of Bryant. " And when you win championships, it's not just Shaq. When you look at that team, you can eliminate a big man in todays game just by doubling and tripling him. But you need that guy who can go down, get a rebound and get his own basket and create his own shot " .

    " There is no way you can eliminate what his value is to that team. Im pretty sure you can say the same about Shaq, because of his dominating presence in the middle " .

    " The two make a pair, and you can't mention one without the other ".


    nice to see someone who probally knows more about the game then all of us put together give the man some credit
  • nowitzkinowitzki Posts: 763
    Rooks, I said who is dallas' dominant center?

    You say Bradley. LMAO I guess you think two of the dominant centers are Bradley and Shaq? Which one is better? Better yet, don't answer.

    So somebody said that they grew up in Indiana. So feakin what. Who cares. I guess that because your dad is an alcoholic you are too? The best thing that ever happened to indiana basketball now resides at TEXAS TECH.
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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    Who the hell cares who their center is, baradley and lafrenz are good enough for them to have put up a much better showing than they did last year. The fact is that nowitzki is soft and choked in the playoffs. He had all the help he needed last year and he decided to play the most pathitic olay defense I have ever seen. Face it, nowitzki isnt mentally tough enough to win a championship.
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  • nowitzkinowitzki Posts: 763
    Hence the topic of the thread:



    << <i>Stated in ESPN the Magazine:

    KOBE HAS A PROBLEM
    He shoots? Lakers lose. He passes? Lakers lose. Remember how people said he was the next Jordan? Try next Pippen.

    O so true... >>





    Not about Nowitzki. It is about Kobe. As I recall, Pippen bellied up without Jordan. The same way Kobe is.
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  • JErik20JErik20 Posts: 1,502
    Rooks, sorry homo but i have better things to do than do backround checks on every moron who joins this board......

    Also, yes the Bills aren't bad this year, and even if they weren't you probably started liking them about 7 years ago when they went to 4 Super Bowls.....

    Also, you say you back up your words with facts, but you conveniently dodged the facts that i gave you regarding your idiotic statement of Pippen being the best player in the NBA when MJ retired, rather .....

    BTW...... my uncle lived in NY for like 2 weeks, so i am a huge Yankee fan. Also, my mom visited North Carolina once, so i love Duke and North Carolina college basketball. Also, i once went on a church trip to Miami, Fl, so i am a huge Miami football fan...... you get my point smartie??? It's eay to make up a bunch of BS so that you can conveniently root for good teams

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  • rooksrooks Posts: 991
    Oh, the thought police has arrived again to tell me who I can and can not root for. You are such a hypoctite. A few months ago when everyone was getting kicked off, wasnt it you who was calling others speech nazis for trying to shut people up and now you do the exact same thing. How am I convieniently rooting for good teams? I guess you only started to like the rockets after they won 2 titles since you cant prove otherwise. The only team I like that has won anything lately is the lakers. I know you want everyone to think alike, but im allowed to think pippen was the best in the nba when jordan was out and I still do. I also think kobe is the second best player in the leauge. Is that allowed by the thought police?
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