e-shop-fables imaginary return policy
relayer
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Avoid this morons auctions.
The coin received only matched the spotting on the obverse (under the light red hue in the photo). Has anybody else had an experience with this guy?
Deceptive Picture, Deceptive Return Policy
I'm sorry, but I do not offer returns on 3rd party graded coins, only coins that are advertised as a certain grade, which I have graded, and/or Certified/Capsuelized. I did not describe the coin as Tonned, or anything, for that matter... I let the PCGS capsuel do all the talking. If the coin you recieved is the same actual coin as the one pictured, that's the end of my gaurentee.
On a further note, my Return policy as noted on the auction page states "Refunds are for winning bid ammounts only" That means that WHEN I offer a return, not "Any Item can be returned". I know it's a subtle difference, but I need to keep the option open or I might become overwhelmed by "Looky-Loos" who alway are wanting to return perfectly good Items, just because they think they had perhaps bid to much in the heat of the moment, or may have gotten a better deal elsewhere.
My business is too small to afford that kind of bidder participation.
It is your resopnsibility to ask questions before you bid. If you had, and I told you it was tonned, then you would have a legitamate dispute that would allow a return, according to proper business ettiquite and/or possible leagle claim.. But in this case, I'm afraid not. Once again, I'm sorry the coin displeases you, but perhaps you can trade it or re-sell it. After all, PCGS Walkers graded Ms65 are pretty much like cash, you know, and IF I were to accept the coin back, it would be at a dealer's buy price. I'm sure you could do better, but if not, I'll give you $70 for it.
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All it says about items that can't be returned are: "Sorry, No returns on Pierecing Jewlery."
No where does it say that he doesn't take slabbed coins back. If that is his policy then it needs to be in his auction. He's a liar.
Point this out and let him know that you plan on returning the coin. If he still says no, then neg him, report him to eBay for fruad (send all emails to them), and if you paid by PayPal file a fraud complaint (it might get his account locked for a period of time and piss him off).
<< <i>I did not describe the coin as Tonned, or anything, for that matter... I let the PCGS capsuel do all the talking. >>
A common practice these days. It's known as deception by omission. Many sellers seem to believe that simply because a coin is slabbed, they are relieved of all responsibility to note any flaws in the auction description.
I got burned enough times that if it's a seller who just tosses in a picture of the slab with little or no description, I now ask VERY specific questions about a coin I'm interested in before I bid. No response, no bid.
Russ, NCNE
Obscurum per obscurius
I pretty much understand the english language and <<Refunds are for winning bid ammounts only, and a 15 Day limit is given after date of shipping to examine purchase. Coin/s cannot be removed from their holders. Said removal constitutes acceptance of Item/s.>> pretty much means what it says and unless you removed it from the slab relayer you didn't accept it and you have 15 days to return it minus postage and fees (which the seller can get credit on from eBay.)
That guy shanked you and what a moron he knew you would neg him over it and should have been more coperative. Just look at the feedback he left you: <<Yeah, Baby ,YEAH ! Oh BE-HAVE ! Shagadellic ! Bye-Bye Mr. Biggelsworth !>> What in the heck does that mean? Just what kind of a deal did you make with him? Like Fables called another buyer while he was negging him, what a "Mega Dipwad."
Thanks for the heads up.
Or if you are fairtraders, it is covered in monster white color.
That email message contradicts his standard policies box in the auction. What a jerk.
After pointing out how his email contradicts what he states in the auction, I'd give him one more chance to take the coin back for a refund. If he still refuses, give an honest neg (something simple like, "wouldn't accept a return when description implied he would") and move on. Otherwise you've already done the best thing you could, let the rest of us know the kind of jerk he is.
Followup:
Cool, I see you already gave him a neg. And I must say that his response wasn't much of a defense....
Complaint : ->WARNING-->. Seller does not honor published return policy. Offers 57c on the $
Response by e-shops-fables - Wanted to return PCGS graded coin. I Offered to buy back at dealer COST.YCWTA !
Thanks for the warning.
Tom
Looking for Nationals, Large VF to AU type, 1928 Gold, and WWII Emergency notes. Also a few nice Buffalo Nickels and Morgan Dollars.
Monty...
Dog, he is mocking him with some lines from one of the Austin Powers movies.
It's that particular kind of defense, where people try to stick the knife in as deep as they can, by giving a mocking response designed to show that the complaint isn't even worthy of serious consideration.
In other words, it's a rasberry. And it is arrogant and off-putting.
It's not misleading. It's an outright lie. He's a scumbag.
WNC Coins, LLC
1987-C Hendersonville Road
Asheville, NC 28803
wnccoins.com
Relayer,
Thanks for the warning. Another eBay scallywag to add to the ever growing list of thieves and liars.
Sorry about your bad experience.
Here's a picture of coin as it appears (any color in my picture isn't on the coin either). It's the same coin because it has the same spots between the L and I.
I posted a follow-up to his response
I only had an interest in the coin because of the color. I've gotten much nicer Walkers from DHRC at the fair market price. It's a 65 Walker , but certainly no MONSTER eye appeal and no color toning - just some spoting.
He only took me for $50, but my max bid was $200 so it could have been worse.
I though about emailing him about the toning, but I read his return policy. He probably would have lied about that as well.
I should have asked him "Are you a lying sack of ...?" before finding out he was.
I started my response to him with
Well I am sorry to hear that you are not an honorable person.
and then I gave him some advice. I'll watch his auctions and see if he takes it.
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Yeah, Baby ,YEAH ! Oh BE-HAVE ! Shagadellic ! Bye-Bye Mr. Biggelsworth
...so mature and professional.
I've wanted to send a copy of this tread to the seller so that he could see how his actions are being made public and making him look like a fool, but what would be the point? His own public actions are doing the same thing.
Wouldn't that cut down on returns at WalMart
From his contact info:
Company: Just-a-buncha-Junk
Guess that says it all.
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