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I think this is more ridiculous!! Come on PSA!!

NuyauwkaNuyauwka Posts: 157
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How are these cards not getting OC grades, and if they are sent in asking for no qualifiers , how are they getting PSA 8 grades. It getting ridiculous if these cards are PSA 8NQ. Does someone have a logical explanation for this.

Here are just a couple of items...1579013587 and 1579123074

Someone shed some light here for me , I'm getting disheartened, a response from someone at PSA would help as well.
If it's worth doing..It's worth overdoing!!

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  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,124 ✭✭✭✭✭
    1970 Ron Santo

    1970 Tim Cullen
    https://ebay.com/sch/gemint/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
  • NuyauwkaNuyauwka Posts: 157
    Thanks..Didn't know how to do that!!!
    If it's worth doing..It's worth overdoing!!
  • downgoesfrazierdowngoesfrazier Posts: 1,515 ✭✭
    A theory. Maybe if you: A) Are clueless or B) Submit so much bulk that a tweener/salt-type of card is worthwhile submitting at 5 a throw you will get grades like these.

    07070whatever sells mid-70's 7's and Q's often enough to tell me he's not too discriminating. Dumb-luck.
    Shoeless submits everything from McDonald's bags to kleenex. Sheer probability.

    The REASON, perhaps that MOST of us don't get the grades on these is that we never give the grader the opportunity. I would never...repeat, NEVER submit garbage like that. The reason is simple...regardless of what someone in Newport Beach thinks, the card is undesireable. Either for a meticulous set builder or for re-sale purposes, it's a dog.
    The frustration starts when you submit a dead-centered near-perfect card that sits on the technical fence of 9-10 and it gets shipped back contentedly resting in an 8 slab...you search for a problem and it's just not there...meanwhile on eBay...it happens to all of us at one time or another.

    About the only possible defense for these cards getting a relaxed standard would be (scans are insufficient) if they are "10" caliber stock and image with 70/30-75/25. THAT would make the 8 tolerable for me.
  • VarghaVargha Posts: 2,392 ✭✭
    Cullen looks fine. The Santo has "7" centering at best.
  • wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    Blew up both scans and measured them.

    One logs in at 30/70 and the other at 70/30, both right at the limits for an 8.

    Some people want their 8's more centered, and to others it's not that important.


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  • NuyauwkaNuyauwka Posts: 157
    You're right about one thing for sure. I would never send in a card that undesirable looking, but I do not have a problem with a nice PSA 8 card, and I have a cabinet full of PSA 7's that those 2 cards could not stand up to. I have broken out no less then 35 PSA 7's and received PSA 8 on the 2nd time around..and deservedly so , they should of been PSA 8's in the 1st place, but to get an PSA 8 when there is no rhyme of reason makes no sense to me at all and I have a hard time swollowing that when I send in so many cards that get dogged grades. I have no problem when I get back a PSA 7 and shake my head and say how' the heck did I miss that ..I should of known it was a PSA 7 before I submitted it. But when volume dealers get grades that are ridiculous it burns at me. About 6 months ago I bought 2 PSA 8 1970 Topps from the dealer with that Santo, one was a Dick Allen, the card has a corner with the paper turned back up and another one frayed and fuzzy, the other card was a Billy Williams that ws not much better. I did not return the cards because one day I would like to go to PSA or meet Mr. Olrando at a show and just ask for a explanation. Any reason how a card is a 5-6 at best receives an PSA 8. It's almost feels like these dealers have there own equiptment and flips and encapsulate the cards themselves.
    If it's worth doing..It's worth overdoing!!
  • crazysccrazysc Posts: 291 ✭
    As someone who's graded more cards with PSA and others than just about anyone, and I've just started grading some cards again, what I get frustrated is people complaining about cards that seem to get the benefit of the doubt, but they never see or mention the piles of other cards which the large dealer got hosed on. I just got back the grades on a submission of 400+ cards - bloodbath. And I went through them myself! I'm sure I'll have some grades that are on the lenient side, but people really have to extrapolate the numbers out. If you submit 50 cards, got back 10 cards you felt you were hosed on and 2 that you thought were a little generous - now multiply that by 100...the percentages are probably the same each way...
    Why do I get the feeling, that some cards are worth money, while others are not?
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    If the cards have no other flaws, they are technically allowed 25/75 (5% swing).
    Nobody at psa has ever given me an answer as to if this can be T/B and L/R or just one way.
    anybody ever get an answer on this??
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    At the end of the day -- one of the phenomenons that has been experienced in the graded card industry over the past three years is an increased focus on centering. The focus that is placed on centering today is not what existed four years ago (pre-Beckett) and certainly not what existed 10-15 years ago. Though I find nothing at all wrong with this increased emphasis on centering -- I think all that it means is that prospective buyers should spend more time evaluating a card on their own to see whether or not it will satisfy or satisfice their needs for their collecting habits.

    Mean -- I'm one of those 26-year old dinosaurs who still loves the look of a 1955 Bowman PSA 9 MINT O/C card -- as they have sharp corners and no border chips -- whereas most centered 8's have the border chips or corner wear. I like the card that looks like it just came out of a pack, even if it may not be centered perfectly.
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • toppsguntoppsgun Posts: 787 ✭

    Marc,

    My sentiments exactly. These centering freaks get what they deserve. Which is more valuable to a vintage collector?

    (a) a centered card that has been handled enough to be able to tell it with the naked eye.
    (b) a sharp, shiny, pristine, unhandled card that left the factory a bit off-center.

    This is not brain surgery. A 75/25 razor sharp card is fine with me. Send me all your 9 oc cards from 1959-1967 Topps baseball. I'll take good care of them.

    I have to chuckle at those who collect only 50/50 centered cards. They turn their noses up at a 55/45 card. They're going to end up with (at best) a 80-90% complete set 'cuz some cards simply do not exist, centered in enough quantity to ever make it into those collections:

    1959 #11-Hunter, #104-Rice, #150-Musial, #516-Garcia, #572-Pierce AS
    1963 #289-Brown, #89-Stigman, #50-Pierce, #328-Williams
    1965 #22-Smith, 109-Bond
    1967 #572-Demeter, #594-Osinski, #605-Shannon
    1969 #110-Shannon, #663-Radatz
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Toppsgun:

    To each their own, of course. But in 1955 Bowman -- some cards just don't exist in PSA 9 because you can't find them centered well with great corners/borders, etc. For example, I own the only PSA 9 o/c of Pee Wee Reese. There are no PSA 9 NQ's, and no 10's. Now -- the borders and corners seem a lot nicer than any PSA 8 I've ever seen -- and the o/c portion of the card is the less annoying (the thinner) of the two borders. Now I have a PSA 8 also -- but I choose my PSA 9 o/c any day of the week as to my preference.

    Viva la O/C!
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
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