So What's Up With Rainbow Toned Peace Dollars?

stman

I've noticed an increased demand for nice rainbow toned Peace Dollars. I understand they are tough to find and the premiums reflect this. So I'm wondering why most of this series didn't get a lot of the rainbow toning like their counterpart Morgan series.

Did they not sit in Mint bags for years and tone like the Morgan's?
Now here is a hypothetical question, or have the Peace Dollars which are not as popular as the Morgan's not been "worked" on like possibly the Morgan's have?
I have a recent interest in these rainbow toned Peace Dollars and would appreciate some good input here.

stman

If anyone has any of these I would be most interested to see images posted if you have any. Thank You!!!

Dog97

I think the biggest reason is because of the way the planchets & dies were prepared. Morgan dies were highly polished and left a good surface for toning because they reflect light better and the Morgan planchets were covered in bear grease, washed in lye, dipped in acid and dried in acidic sawdust which any step could leave residue which enchanced the chances for pretty tone while the Peace dies were not as highly polised and used longer than a Morgan die and the planchets were poorly washed at the Mint.

stman

Very Astute reply Dog. I appreciate it.

Dog97

Here's a monster I often wondered about but I truthfully think it would NG at a service.

ArtR

<< <i>If anyone has any of these I would be most interested to see images posted if you have any. >>


Heres one though it is not Toned from a Mint Bag.

stman

Hey Dog97, I think I would need to classify the image you posted as not so pretty

ArtR, I know you have some great coins as I've looked at your site.
The image you posted is not showing up for me just getting X.
Thanks though.

Dog97

Well I never said it was pretty! So if you want pretty here's an original, I know you like original.

ArtR

stman:
Don't know why it won't show up but it is the same reverse toned Peace Dollar that is on my site, and also the one that I use as my icon.

FrattLaw

I've been hunting these down for a little less then 2 months as so far I've snagged 7 total in Mint State- all with diffferent toning patterns. Only 1 is rainbow since them seem to be the holy grail of toned Peace dollars.

For the most part the better looking toned peaces are not in holders yet. Furthermore, I have several more toned/color pieces that are at best AU coins. The MS65/66/67 toned peaces just really don't exist in the market yet. Unlike Morgans they didn't sit in a bag in a vault not being worn and toning as well. Furthermore, most people just don't really care for these coins from what I understand. I've seen and have purchased nice rim toned examples from Raymond albums. But for the most part, it's going to take years for me to finish a registry set and I'll be lucky to get a weighted avg. of MS 63.

Dog & Art - are you willing to part with yours? Let me know.

Thanks
Michael

MW Fattorosi Collection

stman

Fratlaw, I agree it's not a popular series and I for one never really liked the Peace Dollar. But have recently seen a few nicely toned ones. And hey, what are you doing soliciting these in my thread

gsaguy

This one is kind of cute.

GSAGUY

byergo

I agree, nicely toned Peace bucks are tough to find. I recently made this ANACS AU 58 1925 Peace Dollar. It's hard to see in this pic, but this coin has a pretty concentric ring of soft blue/purple/green around the edges, and it has a general light gold toning covering the obverse. It looks like album toning to me, but I'm not an expert.

BTW--ANACS is TOUGH on grading! This coin has it's share of marks/hits, but I looked for a long while under 5x magnification and couldn't find any rubs obverse or reverse. I thought it was a lock for a low MS grade.

In a world filled with ugly Peace dollars, this one has some nice eye appeal.

Bear

Dog - Good heavens man, did you say coins were covered

in BEAR GREASE. How awful, what a terrible thing to do. Bear

ldhair

It's ok Bear. It was probably synthetic.

oldcameoproofsguy

Nicely toned Peacel dollars are tough to find.

This will be a future pursuit of mine in the near future I am sure.

Toningintheblood

Few and far between.....toned Peace Dollars are not easy to find with even average toning. Most are album or envelope toned and occasionaly end roll toned, but seldom seen rainbow toned. I search as hard as anyone for them too, and I have a double row box and a half of monster toned Morgans, and only 5 toned Peace Dollars! Dale Larsen Spectrum Numismatics

Dave99B

I'm not a big dollar collector, but whenever I see a nice mint state Peace Dollar with COLOR (in a PCGS, NGC or ANACS holder), I buy it. I've picked up 6 or 7 over the years, most in the $50 to $100 arena. I just love them. But they are tough to come by....

Dave

Strat

It's an issue of polishing and planchet preparation, as Dog has so eloquently stated already. Dunno about the bear grease, though. Also, as Dale Larsen Speculum Numismatics has said, the ones you see are mostly end roll or album toned. We've actually traded the linked specimen back and forth a couple times, which I think is a great coin, though it's dark. Many toned Peace Dollars I've seen are dark, so when you see a vibrant one that's original, give it strong consideration as a purchase.


Toned Peace

cardinal

I agree that nicely toned Peace dollars are very hard to find. This 1924 NGC64 came up for auction sometime in 2001, and it was pretty enough that I kept the auction photo:

stman

Thanks for everyones input here and for posting your images. I think Dog97 explained it right off the bat and I learned from this thread.

"Many toned Peace Dollars I've seen are dark, so when you see a vibrant one that's original, give it strong consideration as a purchase."

Hey Strat is this a hint?

Strat

<< <i>Hey Strat is this a hint? >>



Absolutely!

mr1931S

good comments here...

"Toned Peace dollars a much more scarce than toned Morgan dollars and very seldom show bright,vivid colorations.This is due to the following factors:First,the toning of silver dollars is usually a long-term process.Being minted much more recently,Peace dollars did not have as much time to interact with the sulfur in the bags in which they were stored.Second,there is some evidence that the acid bath into which the planchets were plunged after annealing to remove discoloring oxidation was more highly concentrated for Peace dollars,in order to maximize the frosty whiteness of the planchets.This could serve as a detriment to subsequent interaction of the silver planchet metal with sulfur or oxygen,thus retarding the toning process."

from The Morgan and Peace Dollar Textbook by Wayne Miller

Miller doesn't have a single example of a toned Peace Dollar to show in his discussion of toning p.38-48,however,the picture of his '1924-P' shows its obverse and reverse to be uniformly toned a light blue-green color...

i've seen a number of lightly gold-toned Peace dollars like Miller's '26-S which i think is a typical example of a toned Peace dollar...