2002(p) Sacagawea Dollar (PCGS-MS69) POP 1
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PM me if you are seriously interested in the one and only PCGS graded 2002(p) Sacagawea Dollar grading PCGS-MS69!! Coin is subject to prior sale.
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By the way, if you are not getting "first shot" on this coin, it's only because you don't want the coin. Any board member that was seriously interested in this coin does have first shot this weekend, subject to prior sale.
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Last call before the coin hits ebay tonight.
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The coin was consigned to me and I am very pleased to offer it. I seldom submit modern (1965-date) coins for slabbing myself these days (for past several years) and have yet to spend $1 at the US Mint site on 2002 product
I know of one collector (works his day job and comes home at night to "work" on coins, as well as a portion of his weekends) who went through (600) 2002 Mint Sets and bascially found (4) MS68 state quarter "d" mint coins as his "big catch". OK, he can make $1500-$2,000 on those (4) coins. But, he put out nearly $9,000 in up front money to do and spent "a work week or two of time" devoted to the project. As he explained it to me (and I do not personally agree with this conduct - I am just mentioning the story so many of you can understand what goes into making these sensationally high grade coins) he thens returns to the US Mint the 550-575 or so Mint Sets which yielded no premium coins. This generally takes more time on the phone, time and energy packing them up and shipping back the "bad" sets to Mint, confirming with the Mint they received back his "bad" sets and waiting 4-6 weeks for his credit from the Mint. He points out that without the Mint's generous return policy, he would never be able to even consider searching out the great coins, as the ability to return the sets is key to the project. Frankly, if a dealer engaged in this conduct regarding the Mint product he might be strongly attacked I would think, but, as a collector you can essentially do anything it seems and I am not attacking the collector, or this practice, at all - just noticing the double standard.
There you have it. I personally chose to basically write the check for the handful of super high grade coins that come along, or gladly accept a consignment of a neat coin when one becomes available like the MS69 Sac.
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Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
DRG: As you, yourself, point out, they are not damaged sets and it probably makes perfect sense for the Mint to resell them after they inspect them and see nothing wrong with them - right? Now, I am just commenting from the standpoint of a taxpayer.
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baseball - if I'm right about "subject to prior sale" I think you will see my point. If I'm wrong I will be the first to apologize.
Incidently, after discovering the methods used by that collector to "make" coins, I have never bought another coin from him. This Sac is being consigned from someone who makes coins "the old fashioned" way.
Simply more "ammo" for why I do not waste my time anymore buying the sets from the Mint myself. I was thinking about buying some 2002 Mint Sets before year end, but probably will not now.
Funny thing is, as I recall, when collectors on the US Coin Forum reported getting in sets with no high grade coins in them earlier this year and planning to return them for a full refund or replacement sets, there was nearly unanamous support for them doing so and heavy criticism of the Mint's inability to produce better coins. No one on those threads even politely commented that the collector shouldn't return his sets for new ones. Interesting what happens when a "pure collector" is taking a certain action. Wondercoin.
i really doubt that more than a very small minute portion of 1% are unfresh but if you subscribe to the "bin theory" it is very possible to get completely shut out, which is likely what happened to my 200 sets (i'm guessing).
Bin Theory: Over the long run, if you diversify your purchases over time you will get nice decent product from the US Mint.
It is interesting though - the concept of a collector's expectations on these sets. I recall sets were being returning to the mint because the "d" mint coins looked "beat up". Next time a post is made regarding an intention to return sets to the Mint, we can all pay more attention to it
And why are all your listings subject to prior sales.
Yeah, that really threw me for a loop too.
But then I started thinking. Hmmm.
If there is only and it's listed here, what if somebody buys it? Then how many would he have? Seems like one minus one is zero.
So once I started using my math skills and common sense, it all became much clearer to me.
Ah, it's so refreshing to be able to use the brain correctly.
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a hundred pm's within minutes of each other so the coin is a first come first
served. If he only has one he can't sell ten.I think it is nice of him to offer pop top
coins here and not just go to e-bay or elsewhere 1st.
just MHO
Tim
<< <i>Sorry Mitch, I need to know the answer to my question re subject to prior sales >>
LS:
What exactly is your question here? Subject to prior sales means that he'll sell it to you if you can agree on a price and he hasn't already sold it. I have purchased numerous coins from Mitch that were "subject to prior sale". And I have also had him tell me that a coin had already been sold. I have every reason to believe that the "already sold" coins were absolutely available, as advertised, when Mitch posted them. If you have a problem with his advertising, he'll probably survive without you, but I, for opne, can say that my experiences with Mitch have found him to be about as honest and open dealer as you'll ever deal with.
Pete
PS: nice coin, Mitch---but you still need a camera so we can all enjoy them!!
WTH?
Well anyway, I have the number #1 set of all time on everything and anything in platinum if that counts for anything, and to think I haven't posted my gold coins yet... by the way people I have some WTC MS-70's (PCGS) for sale if anyone is interested....
Mitch could be away from the computer for hours, but take phone calls and make a sale. That would be a prior sale. It means just because you send an acceptable offer to purchase, the deal is not done until that offer is accepted.
TripleX: I offered the coin today to several board members, one of which has already posted on this thread. Another is still considering the offer. Any one of them could have bought the coin then, and still can right now. I do intend to post it to ebay in the near future. however, if it does not sell here soon.
Now, let me address your comment about not giving you a price this morning until I knew who you were. At the time of your email, the only thing I knew about you was your "handle name" TripleX. I asked you to identify who I was dealing with, for no other reason than to know who I was, in fact, dealing with. What if I quoted a price to a "handle name" and that person came back and said sold - I'll send you a check. Now, what if a board member I have known for years came back an hour later and said he wanted to coin? And, what if I never received a check from the "handle name", while waiting a week or two. The result would be I would have tied up the coin for weeks with someone I didn't even know who I was dealing with-right? If you were my consignor, how would you feel if weeks went by and I closed a deal with someone I didn't even know the name of?
It is one thing to post threads anonamously (I support ones right); but is quite another to engage in business dealings that way. I have a responsibility to my consignor here as well. I hope you can see that.
Now, having said that, and now that you have provided a bit more information (which my consignor recently advised me was fine), I would be happy to offer you the coin, if you are stil interested. Just PM me your phone number and I'll call you tonight.
Mitch is a wonderful dealer to deal with. I have probably bought at least 5000.00 dollars worth of coins
from him. If it is has subject to prior sales then i missed it if he did not have it available. For a pop 1 coin
I would of called after the PM and bought it. I'm sure that can be done in less then 5 min if you hit the board
right and mitch is still online.... If you dont understand that... wait and see if it hits ebay...
Rick
So.. what it means to me is... step up to the plate and buy the "darn thing" before someone else does!!
Would you agree, Mitch, that this is the correct interpretation? How many coins have I stepped up to the plate to buy from you with my #3 clad Washington quarter series. That is because I wanted them and was the first to do so. I may have paid a premium, but that was my choice!!
WWQ
My goal here is purely to not have a dissapointed collector. Making a coin available "subject to prior sale" I hope makes it clear that the coin may not be available at a later time. No pressure to buy it, but please don't be dissapointed if it is not available at a later time.
I hope this helps clear up the term and the intent. Wondercoin.
what would be a guesstimate of this coins selling price if put on ebay now??
also what would be the guesstimate of the coins selling price raw if broken out of its respective holder and the tag was included with the coin?????
sincerely michael
I'll tell you what. You go first. Tell us all what the cost of a PR67CAM Walker was without the CAM designation and then tell us what it sold for with the CAM designation. It was PR67CAM wasn't it? After you totally convince me that the coin was always worth every penny of the PR67CAM price without the CAM designation on the holder (and also please explain what it sold for originally BEFORE PCGS added the CAM designation), then I will try to convince you that a modern coin like this Sac is worth more money holdered than a raw one. Now this will be a fun Sunday!!
Mitch:
Why not drop the line "subject to prior sale". Serious collectors already know a coin can be sold before they get their act together. Why give the you know who's another reason to complain or to put up a negative post. Frankly, I'm not even sure why you take the time to respond to all this blabber.
Good response to my good friend, Michael. Come on Michael tell us about the 67CAM
You might argue that the difference between a 68 an a 69 is so subtle that it is not worth the big price jump. Then don't buy it, but the market does. However, silly it might seem, there are those who are willing to pay for the absolute best, even if the difference is microscopic. For those people the third party opinion is essential. While I rarely buy the pop 1, 2, or 3s, I have never been disappointed when I have. Buying the best has always been a winner for me.
BTW, Mitch is not just a seller of the low pops, he is a serious buyer as well. If you have one to sell contact him as you are likely to get the best price anywhere.
Greg
If one come to this board to prove that PCGS plastic is purely a "modern" thing - simply be prepared to explain the classic coins and why plastic does affect them equally. This Walker is a perfect starting point. I want to know what the coin sold for originally in the NON-CAM HOLDER and then what it sold for in the CAM HOLDER once PCGS added three tiny letters to the insert tag "C" "A" "M". If pricing information can't be revealed, then simply state the % increase once the three tiny letters were added to the slab.
Or, let's all simply agree that "value added" companies like PCGS can add significant value to ALL coins, be it "modern" or "classic".
But, again, I'll be delighted to address all questions regarding the Sac after I get my answers on the PR67CAM Walker
And, I think Michael is a great guy and I know he is considering my points in the spirit they are intended - to recognize that ALL COINS, classic and modern, are impacted by the holder they are in.
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