UPDATE - now says "checks in themail"

its4real · November 7, 2002 6:30AM

Yep - I guess it happens now and then but because of forums like this -we can quickly figure out who to put on our bidder block list.....

Here's the link to the auction that ended almost 48 hours ago. The bidder was manually bidding - I was watching. He manually bid with about 2 min left to go and won the auction-then - no response to e-mail for 2 days.

Anyone sold to him/her?

After checking his feedback - I noticed that he has stiffed a few others as well. Looks like he's okay if you are selling small ticket things - $2, $5, $10 - - but go higher and he just doesn't pay.

Just a word to the e-bay seller's - you might want to block this one. I know that there are all kinds of stories about why you don't hear from people for days and days and then POOF! they magically appear and pay for their auction. This guy/girl was there, online, when I was there. I emailed them as soon as the auction closed.

I have sent 5 e-mails now and not one response. If I do get one - I will let everyone know. I think it is just another deadbeat bidder who gets in over his/her head and then doesn't pay and doesn't even respond to his negative feedback.

I wish I had something better to contribute to the boards but this will have to do for now

KoinKollector · November 7, 2002 6:34AM

I wouldnt sell the bidder short just yet. I have sent emails to people only to recieve the check a few days later w/o any email being sent back to me. Sometimes also, it takes people more than 48hours to get back to you in regards to an ebay auction. I say, hang tight and see what happens w/in the next few days. His feedback isnt honestly bad.

Russ · November 7, 2002 6:36AM

<< After checking his feedback - I noticed that he has stiffed a few others as well. >>

He has only one negative feedback for not paying.

Russ, NCNE

twodollardon · November 7, 2002 6:41AM

You can also request the buyers info. by referencing the Ebay item # and the will email you his name, address and phone number!!

I also think you should wait a little longer..

Don

its4real · November 7, 2002 6:43AM

Russ,

It APPEARS that on the second auction - he didn't pay either - it says he went to a better deal. That makes 2 out of 47.

Although that does give him a 95.7% GOOD rating - it's still alot of negs in just 47 sellers.

Pushkin · November 7, 2002 6:50AM

Two days is hardly enough time to say someone is a deadbeat. I've had plently of EXCELLENT customers not contact me for 5-7 days. Sometimes they are traveling, sometimes other things come up. I would never whack somebody for a two day delay.

Oh yes, I have a NEG for non-payment. I paid the guy, have the coin, left positive feedback. He made a mistake, and never did a thing to correct it. Just a second opinion.

Russ · November 7, 2002 6:51AM

<< It APPEARS that on the second auction - he didn't pay either - it says he went to a better deal. >>

Actually, it appears that the seller offered him a better deal to correct a mistake made by said seller:

<< I made mistake, he went straight to negative feedback! Found him BETTER deal!! >>

Russ, NCNE

coindaughter · November 7, 2002 6:52AM

I agree. Wait a while. You're not stiffed yet.

IvanOnly · November 7, 2002 6:52AM

Ya, 2 days is not that much, maybe he had to work a couple long nights and did not check his e-mail.
That has happened to me.

its4real · November 7, 2002 6:54AM

I stand corrected.....Russ - I see what he may have been saying.

Also - Rus...just how much DOES it take to ship a mint set?

Don't think I am impatient - just ask Lord Marcovan - I am very patient. It's just that when I see few feedbacks and at least 1 or 2 are negative and 2 days pass with nary a word on a $100 item.....well....

- I get impatient!

I will let all know on the outcome - I have put in a call to him.

edited to add the last

goose3 · November 7, 2002 7:00AM

Ebay says to bidder/seller should contact each other within 3 days.

I agree with the others. I just had a guy not reply to me and got his postal money order in the mail the next day after a second email!

people don't or can't read or just don't care about what you, the seller, wants most of the time.

Russ · November 7, 2002 7:07AM

<< people don't or can't read >>

Much truth there. I just had another one try to use a credit card through Paypal even though the auction clearly stated no credit credit cards through Paypal. So, I made it even more clear.

I wonder if they'll read it now?

Russ, NCNE

python · November 7, 2002 7:14AM

Auction ended less than 48 hrs ago and you've sent him 5 e-mails, I would call you very impatient.

lordmarcovan · November 7, 2002 7:29AM

Take a chill pill. Some folks (myself included at times) may not even check their email but once every 3-5 days. I don't get antsy until the third week. After a week or two, I send an automated eBay payment reminder. Usually the person will contact me then. If there is no word and no payment after 30 days, I slap 'em with a negative. But not until every possible attempt to contact them has been made, and not until more than a month has gone by. On the very rare occasions when I have found it necessary to neg a deadbeat bidder (only about four out of nearly a thousand), I haven't done so until after six weeks or so.

You seem to have thrown yourself into the hobby (and the business end thereof) very quickly and completely. Nothin' wrong with that- most of us share your enthusiasm. But remember, just because you-and many of us- are devoted to it full-time does not necessarily mean that this is the case with everyone else.

Some poor, misguided souls have barren, empty lives that do NOT revolve around around eBay and Collector's Universe.

DCAMFranklin · November 7, 2002 8:10AM

He's welcome to bid on my auctions anytime! I'm not trying to brag, but I've completed well over 10 times the number of transactions you have on Ebay and I don't believe even 25% of my buyers will respond to my e-mails, prior to sending their payment. They know how much they are to send and where to send it. They address an envelope, complete their check or money order and off it goes. That is all they feel they need to do!

When I receive their payment, I let them know it has arrived, send them their feedback and mail their coin using insured mail. Hopefully, they appreciate my fast service and quality coins and they send positive feedback when the coin arrives there.

Once after a week, I had not heard from a super buyer that had won 5 different PR-70 DCAM Eagles, so I sent him another e-mail. He responded that night and inquired about a 6th date. I told him I had it. He apologized for the delay and sent a check Fed-Ex. The next day I received a Fed-Ex package with a $1,600+ check and that afternoon his coins were on the way to his business.

You need to chill out or you will pop a vein!

LucyBop · November 7, 2002 8:16AM

And just what is your seller name on Ebay DCAMFranklin? You may have some stuff I want to bid on......

copperhead · November 7, 2002 8:32AM

Like the others have said on this matter. Two days is not near enough time before you declare someone a deadbeat. I currently have a buyer who hasn't paid for two weeks. I feel you should give the buyer or seller which ever the case may be every opportunity to make good on the deal. For example, My items went off Sun and Mon night this week. I went into the hospital with chest pains Mon afternoon. Didn't get out until Wed evening. My hands were tied, I had no choice but to wait. That certainly doesn't make me a deadbeat. If after (7) days the buyer hasn't contacted me I send them a reminder. After two weeks I threaten Neg F/B. After Three weeks they get Neg. F/B. I have yet to give anyone Negative F/B.
GOOD LUCK but try to have a little patience,
AL

wingedliberty · November 7, 2002 8:43AM

If I got such a good deal, I would have emailed you three seconds afterwards,!!!!!

Brian.h

Loki · November 7, 2002 8:46AM

Ditto to what Lucy said

BigD5 · November 7, 2002 8:57AM

5 emails in 2 days? Did I read that correctly?

danglen · November 7, 2002 9:00AM

As a Power Seller with a 2000+ feedback rating, I send a reminder on the tenth day, a second reminder on the twentieth day, file a NPBA on the thirtieth day, and if they have nor responded with some communiation or payment by the fortieth day, I file for the FV credit and then leave a negative feedback. I don't call people names, just say "High Bidder, Non-Payer, no response to multiple emails".
Life is too short to get worked up over the small stuff! If a bidder has three NPBAs filed against them, they are NARU'd, so that helps clean up the community.

Dog97 · November 7, 2002 9:33AM

<<<<Auction ended less than 48 hrs ago and you've sent him 5 e-mails<<<<<

DO WHAT?? You sound like a psycho seller because you have 3 days to make contact and that's just an eBay recommendation.

lordmarcovan · November 7, 2002 9:59AM

By prematurely pounding your customer with incessant emails, you also risk alienating him and getting negged yourself. Note that one of his two negatives resulted because he was fast to slap somebody else with a neg prematurely. Asking all of us else to blacklist him after a mere two days is absurd.

I also found this passage in your auction rather baffling:

<< By the way - did you know that gold is useless? Sure it's pretty and it's very bendable/maleable - but....so what? It doesn't react with anything (except liquid mercury), and we can't eat it. So where does it's value come from? Oh - it CAN be used in certain electrical or denta purposes but bottom line - it doesn't have very many REAL uses. >>

Gold is useless? Hmm. So was all that drivel you typed. What possible beneficial effect could all that have had on your auction?

barrytrot · November 7, 2002 10:26AM

Its4real,

I have bought a bunch on eBay, and my response time varys from instantaneous to a week and in a couple cases a little longer. I have 416 positives (248 unique) and ZERO neutral or negative.

If I were the guy that bid on your item and I was also a person that reads this message board I would be very upset.

You realize that since he has only a relatively small amount of activity that he probably has a life, right?

Anyway, if this guy does pay you, which likely he will, I hope that you announce it with the same bravodo. I doubt you will. Most people don't care to give accolades.

Oh, and as someone that receives a lot of email, please understand that 1 email per day is pretty much the maximum that anyone needs to have from a single person.

Calm down and check the guy back in a week or ten days and then see what is happening.

its4real · November 7, 2002 10:43AM

An update.....gee you folks have said the same thing at least 22 times now....I always thought Parrotheads had something to dowith Jimmy Buffet.....

Anyway -he has called twice and said that he is sending a check in the AM.

So - in my haste, I have apparently made a mistake - as haste tends to do in anything.

If anything changes -I will let everyone know. If it doesn't - then - as I have said -I was too hasty making the generalization that I did.

And don't worry - I will NEVER do it AGAIN!!!!!!!

barrytrot · November 7, 2002 10:50AM

Its4real,

Please post an entirely seperate post explaining the fact that you completely falsely accused someone and requested that he be black listed.

That is not something that you can shrug off like you are clearly doing. You need to come clean in a big way.

In fact, you need to tell the bidder what you did and ask him to forgive you.

Falsely accusing someone that cannot even defend himself is almost the lowest thing someone can do, you need to make reparations.

its4real · November 7, 2002 11:09AM

Barrytrot,

I did as I said I would do - I kept everyone informed...and am still doing so. Not doing so would be an injustice to this thread.

As far as the bidder - he has "said" he will send a check. If he does,I , again, will repent and confess that I was too hasty. Would you like me to rent a couple of billboards as well?

He is not a member of this forum and there is no need to start a bunch of $h1t just because you feel I ought to.

edited for spaces- my darn spacebar is giving me he11

Pushkin · November 7, 2002 11:24AM

Do the right thing. When his check arrives, send it back to him with the coin via Express Mail. Tell you you are sincerely sorry for your behavior and that giving him a free coin is the least you can do. Maybe he won't NEG you - but if he does, give him a POSITIVE and tell him its OK, you understand.

Reputation is more important than a few dollars. You'll then feel a lot better about the whole episode.

its4real · November 7, 2002 11:26AM

Right - I'll send him my cat too

And after that - everyone here can
CANE me....they are considering it in Texas you know....

BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
1-6 SECTION 1. Chapter 413, Government Code, is amended by
1-7 adding Section 413.017 to read as follows:
1-8 Sec. 413.017. REPORT ON CANING AS PUNISHMENT. Before
1-9 January 1, 1997, the policy council shall prepare a study on and
1-10 report to the legislature about the use of caning as a punishment
1-11 for defendants convicted of criminal offenses. The report must
1-12 include information about:
1-13 (1) the number of foreign jurisdictions that use
1-14 caning as punishment for criminal conduct and the names of those
1-15 jurisdictions;
1-16 (2) the offenses for which caning is a punishment in
1-17 foreign jurisdictions;
1-18 (3) whether caning is the sole punishment option for
1-19 an offense or caning is one among several options for punishment;
1-20 (4) whether the agreement of the defendant is a
1-21 necessity before using caning as punishment;
1-22 (5) whether caning is reserved for use on juvenile
1-23 offenders or is used on offenders of all ages;
1-24 (6) the medical consequences of caning; and
2-1 (7) the effect of caning as punishment on recidivism
2-2 for specific offenses, if the information is available.
2-3 SECTION 2. The importance of this legislation and the
2-4 crowded condition of the calendars in both houses create an
2-5 emergency and an imperative public necessity that the
2-6 constitutional rule requiring bills to be read on three several
2-7 days in each house be suspended, and this rule is hereby suspended,
2-8 and that this Act take effect and be in force from and after its
2-9 passage, and it is so enacted.

TRADERBOBZ · November 7, 2002 11:34AM

if you pounded me with emails and such this close to auctions end i think i would never even send a check nor a follow up email,i might even catch a plane to your area and explain the way a auction is supose to go down. here are some clues.........
1)you list the item on ebay with a description that is not lets say crazy but a good description of the coin and YOUR terms.....
2) the buyer(this guy you have been stalking here)in turn HAS3 days TO RESPOND! give him his time.........
3)if he flakes out BIG DEAL unless you have tried everything to dump your $hitty item on everyone else,and you got no where to go and then YOU ARE STILL STUCK WITH IT BIG DEALits life,its ebay,its all part of the game DEAL WITH IT.
this is my opinion and everyone has one just like a$$hole but let me tell you,if someone started emailing me and,and stalking me for money as you have done here.........I WOULDNT PAY A DIME,I WOULD TAKE MY NEGETIVE YOU GAVE ME ,AND THEN RESPOND IN 29 DAYS AND 23 HOURS LATER

goose3 · November 7, 2002 11:37AM

Bob,
Please don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY feel.

Dog97 · November 7, 2002 11:42AM

I would not return the check or let him have the coin for free and I darn sure wouldn't tell the seller I made a slanderous post about him on a bulletin board that he was a deadbeat and stiffed me.

I'd just be quite and hoped he is a nice fellow.

sinin1 · November 7, 2002 12:24PM

yikes - its4real about 3 or 4 weeks ago I bid on one of your gold pieces an AU58 - I was 2nd high bidder and don't snipe very often but was going come back and bid more $157 was a good price - sometimes I pay in 10 min from close with paypal - sometimes it takes me 3weeks.

Personally, my email does not work 100% and outlook express crashes my internet explorer, I usually try to read once a day - some emails get delete when I hit delete this email (which I do for all that crap I get - Does anybody really refinace their home 3 times a day?) - also my netzero deal is not always on the ball and sometimes my email is like snail mail - something shows up after being sent a couple weeks ago.

I have gotten burned on raw gold - although that was a good price - I would wonder about that front looking lots better than the back - and whether that coin is even real or a diestruck copy ( with less than $20 gold if really gold ) - I would really be concerned if the seller sent multiple/multiple emails asking how soon I was going to pay.

Does anybody know as a bidder how I can block certain sellers?

LucyBop · November 7, 2002 12:30PM

<< Bob, Please don't hold back. Tell us how you REALLY feel. >>

nankraut · November 7, 2002 12:46PM

That gold piece in the auction looks like a fake to me???

barrytrot · November 7, 2002 1:12PM

Its4real,

You tickle me with your jolliness. You committed what might be loosely considered a CRIME and you brush it off like it was no big deal.

Slandering someone is a big deal.

dlshaw · November 7, 2002 1:35PM

With the Ebay check out system, some think they don't have to send emails. I had some just send the payment with out any other contact.

lordmarcovan · November 7, 2002 1:58PM

Dog is right- 4real has sinned, to be sure, and acted really weird on this one, but I don't think he needs to give away a free gold coin as penance! Geez!

cacheman · November 7, 2002 2:03PM

"itsforbozo" has acted weird with everything he's handled here since he arrived.......what's sweet now is that I don't have to look like the big bully anymore, he obviously "steps in it" all by himself. Makes you want to buy some real estate from him too, huh?

relayer · November 7, 2002 2:06PM

I bid on that coin, but didn't get back to it.

I'm glad I didn't since I'd be pretty annoyed if I got an email every 9 hours from the seller wanting to know where the payment is.

UncleJoe · November 7, 2002 7:13PM

its4real is LEARNING. We all know that. So, yes, tell him where he may have erred but let's not belabor or exaggerate the issue.

From my own experience (at this time approx 100 transactions as seller) I have been paid anywhere from 5 minutes after close to three weeks after close. I have always been paid so far.

I ask the buyer to use checkout which will supply my address if they are mailing payment otherwise they can use PayPal or Billpoint. If they haven't done either in two days I then send eBays invoice. If I do not hear anything in 10 days I send eBays reminder.

Most transactions happen for me without ever sending a payment request e-mail. I do this a hobby so the money is really a secondary consideration. It really almost doesn't matter if payment is sent or not which allows me to be very patient.

Hope some of my drivel is of help to you.

Joe.

darktone · November 7, 2002 8:49PM

I agree with you UncleJoe its4real(mike) is new to this stuff so I say cut him some slack also and help him with some informative posts. It makes me mad also when a buyer is obviously bidding live at auctions end and does not respond for a week but I have learned that this has been the norm on ebay lately- last week I sold nine items on ebay only four responded to my emails giving them shipping info and asking for thier postal addresses and how they intended to pay but yesterday I recieved payment from three of them. mike

danglen · November 7, 2002 10:54PM

TRADERBOBZ,

I don't understand why you would wait 29 days and 23 hours to return the neg. Unless I'm missing something, once he has neg'd you, there's not a whole lot more he can do except for filing a NPBA. It is my understanding, and I'll admit in advance that I'm not 100 percent sure about this, that if your going to leave a neg without fear of a retaliatory neg, you have to do it about 89 days, 23 hours and 58 minutes after the auction closed. I have never done it, because by the time that much time has passed, I can't remember what my beef was in the first place. But it does make me feel good that I could do it if I wanted

.

TRADERBOBZ · November 8, 2002 12:28AM

i normally dont have a problem but was told you have 30 days to respond and then nothing more could be said by seller or buyer
other wise it might look like a argument back and forth with responses???? anyway thats why 29 hours 59 minutes>/????

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