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Possible unc '84S dollar?

mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
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hope my attempt to post the link works...

anyway,seriously, the item # is 1396140668...



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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Something just doesn't feel right about this guy's auctions.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks XF to me.
    Early Dollar Set
  • TheNumishTheNumish Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    In my opinion not even close to unc. Looks like a coin worth between $300-$550.
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    Many of his coins look like they have been cleaned.
    "The essence of sleight of hand is distraction and misdirection. If smoeone can be convinced that he has, through his own perspicacity, divined your hidden purposes, he will not look further."

    William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Here is where he purchased the coin. Ebay Auction
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wow - did that thing get sucked into a lawn mower or something? image
    Early Dollar Set
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    omigosh IrishMike!

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • TheNumishTheNumish Posts: 1,628 ✭✭
    Great detective work Mike. My shoot from the hip guess was pretty good.

    Russ is right. All of these guys auctions are traps. Sometimes I'm amazed people still seriously collect coins when there are so many people out there ready to chop their heads off.
  • DennisHDennisH Posts: 13,991 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Link worked just great!

    This one is strictly for SERIOUS gamblers... the odds are worse than any table game in Vegas!

    99+ times out of a hundred this coin is going to wind up being either an AU58 or AU55 or a cleaned coin. I have talked to several Morgan specialty dealers who have NEVER made a mint state 1884-S in their life, and they supposedly what they're doing.

    Should be fun to watch this one play out!

    -- Dennis
    When in doubt, don't.
  • lathmachlathmach Posts: 4,720 ✭

    could be this one

    Ray
  • paigowjohnnypaigowjohnny Posts: 4,257 ✭
    Looks like a couple of my dollars that got body bagged for cleaning/excessive dipping. Hard to tell from the picture, but looks like luster is washed out. Plus, wear on the breast feathers...AU at best
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    lathmach,that '84S appears to be a properly graded nice coin but its not the one currently offered...in my opinion...he must have two of them...

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    I think lathmach found the correct one. The first one seemed to have a little more originality, and a rougher surface.
    "The essence of sleight of hand is distraction and misdirection. If smoeone can be convinced that he has, through his own perspicacity, divined your hidden purposes, he will not look further."

    William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    Holy guacamole! The auction's description has now been changed!!!!!! Good work!

    Edited to add: It is number two (lathmach's). Check out the horizontal cut at the base of the neck.
    "The essence of sleight of hand is distraction and misdirection. If smoeone can be convinced that he has, through his own perspicacity, divined your hidden purposes, he will not look further."

    William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    well,the images of the "lathmach" '84S are much better than the images of the "mr1874" '84S...

    two different coins aren't they?

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    LMAO, who would have guessed there would be two of them.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    The 4 looks like it might be a altered one. Picture is poor though.
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    I think they are the same coin. seriouscoins bought the "lathmach" coin (sorry, lathmach -- I know it's not yours) and stuck it in a 2X2 with the huge price listed on the front, and now is selling it on eBay. I agree the image in the current auction is worse, but that doesn't say much about the coins. You can see the horizontal cut across the neck in both images, and you can see a bit of the semi-circular ding under the cheek in the seriouscoins image, as well, if you look hard.

    We got him to admit it's AU -- think we can get him to admit it's been harshly cleaned if we keep this up?image

    "The essence of sleight of hand is distraction and misdirection. If smoeone can be convinced that he has, through his own perspicacity, divined your hidden purposes, he will not look further."

    William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    the images...three sets of them...

    amazing what light and angles will do...

    the cut is at the base of Liberty's neck on all three...

    thanks for pointing that out,BNE...

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Alot of morgans have a mark on the neck like that.


    image
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    Well, they were minted in the era of Jack the Ripper, right?image
    "The essence of sleight of hand is distraction and misdirection. If smoeone can be convinced that he has, through his own perspicacity, divined your hidden purposes, he will not look further."

    William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Listed as AU/BU; So which is it? Theres only $5,000 difference!
    <<<<<<This one is strictly for SERIOUS gamblers... the odds are worse than any table game in Vegas!<<<<<<<<<<
    Hey gamblers in Vegas have a chance to win, this coin is a loser!
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • jdimmickjdimmick Posts: 9,674 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coin looks like a cleaned Au-50, 53.

    95% ++ of all uncertified coins of this caliber are that way for a reason, (Because they wont slab)
    The remaining 5% that will usually come from an old time collection that has been tucked away for many many years long before grading services were thought of, and the others originally slabbed and taken out of holder beacuse some collectors do not like slabs, but buy them that way for protection for their sets.
  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    in unc, the 1884-s really is as rare as advt'd. & that one aint.

    the are common as dirt in au. that 1's a cleaned au at best.

    K S
  • gemseekergemseeker Posts: 276 ✭
    This doesn't look like an UNC coin to me. Too many surface imperfections and also a possibly dipped coin. Many key date Morgans don't pan out to be " a diamond in the rough".
    Recommended reading - The PCGS Guide to Coin Grading and Counterfeit Detection and The Coin Collector's Survival Manual and NCI Grading Guide
    For the Morgan collectors - The Morgan and Peace encyclopedia by Van Allen and Mallis

    What would your slabbed coins be worth if the grading services went out of business? What would your coins be worth if the Internet was taken offline for good?
  • CLASSICSCLASSICS Posts: 1,164 ✭✭


    << <i>Text

    hope my attempt to post the link works...

    anyway,seriously, the item # is 1396140668...



    image >>

    ..............that coin is not even a ms60, it has been buffed, dipped, and god knows what else......i have emailed this seller several times, hes an idiot............stay the hell away.......
  • MrKelsoMrKelso Posts: 2,907 ✭✭✭


    << <i> A GORGEOUS 1884-S MORGAN DOLLAR "PRIVATELY GRADED" MS62, AND WELL IT MIGHT BE. IT'S NEVER BEEN PROFESSIONALLY GRADED, BUT JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND JUDGE FOR YOURSELF! LOTS OF ORIGINAL MINT LUSTER. >>



    To many distractions going on, on both sides. If this is the same coin on the link that irish mike shows then no way Mint State I say around AU-55


    "The silver is mine and the gold is mine,' declares the LORD GOD Almighty."
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i have found no less than three other alleged to be uncirculated '84-S dollars offered out of ten pages of 1884 dollars...a kind of population report,if you will,of this elusive dollar...

    Can this coin really be all that rare,with the price to match ($3650), in uncirculated condition?

    i mean,three uncs out of about twenty total '84-S's offered,certainly no more than the statistically significant number of '30,' is kind of a high population of unc '84-S,isn't it?

    lol

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    mr1874

    I would have pm'ed this info, but ....

    As of Jan 02 PCGS pop, less than 200 have been graded uncirculated, only 10 higher than MS63. It is a relatively scarce/rare coin in uncirculated condition, particularly slabbed.
    Gilbert
  • mr1931Smr1931S Posts: 6,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i know if i had a raw '84-S that i REALLY thought had a reasonable chance of being assigned MS60 grade or higher by PCGS i wouldn't risk losing my coin,and thousands of dollars,to a lowball bidder in an online auction...

    thanks for the info, Gilbertimage

    Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.-Albert Einstein

  • dorkkarldorkkarl Posts: 12,691 ✭✭✭
    i doubt that 200 unc 1884-s dollars exist. gotta be from mega-multiple submissions. as long ago as the early 80's, i was trying to cherry pick 1, never did. true uncs, mind you, not "comercial" unc sliders. i'll bet i've seen maybe 50. maybe less!

    K S
  • Chuck47Chuck47 Posts: 3
    How did he change the description...I thought Ebay won't let you change a description..once you have bids on a coin?
  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    mr1874

    Bowers and Merena are advertising a PCGS MS63 in the January rarities sale. BY THE MAGE in the newspaper, it looks like a very nice specimen.
    Gilbert

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