nikobe, looks like Lakers lost again....

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89-70.

In all fairness, Kobe didn't do too bad. 15 points, 13 rebounds and 1 assist away from a triple double. 5 turnovers though. guess he's trying to do too much. don't worry. Shaq should be back on the 12th.

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In other news.... T-Mac has his second 40+ point game of the season.

KOBEcollector

kobe played a decent game..not great not bad. he did seem to force it a bit to try and include his teamates and ended up turning it over..i must say though that at times it's almost as though he's playing 1 against 5 because his guys absolutely don't make shots at times..i got tired of counting samaki's airballs and pargo threw up 3 bricks, which i cant remember a player doing in a long time.

nikobe

auto you can't do nothing when your team is shooting 31%

one of the most horrible games ive ever seen in my life. Kobe has to force feed his team by the mouth it seems like. The game was pretty much over in the 4th so why should kobe even force it?

he could of had that triple double, but NOBODY could give it to him in the 4th. What a pathetic outing by his teammates.

i'm happy for tmac though, because I hate the kings, but 40 point games don't mess with triple doubles.Kobe could of had atleast 20+ assists if his team could actually hit a freaking shot- my goodness


kobe 15 points, 12 rebs, 9 assists 5-13 is not shabby at all

I don't know why george is taking more shots than kobe though.

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<< <i>auto you can't do nothing when your team is shooting 31%

one of the most horrible games ive ever seen in my life. Kobe has to force feed his team by the mouth it seems like. The game was pretty much over in the 4th so why should kobe even force it?

he could of had that triple double, but NOBODY could give it to him in the 4th. What a pathetic outing by his teammates.

i'm happy for tmac though, because I hate the kings, but 40 point games don't mess with triple doubles.Kobe could of had atleast 20+ assists if his team could actually hit a freaking shot- my goodness


kobe 15 points, 12 rebs, 9 assists 5-13 is not shabby at all

I don't know why george is taking more shots than kobe though. >>



Hehehe.. George got comfortable after that career high he scored in the last game. Doesn't matter, the Magic beat Kings 125-121.

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Seems like this is becoming a regularity with NBA players: "Hidayet Turkoglu DNP - Food Poisoning"

KOBEcollector

hey auto i thought for sure by now you'd be droppin Ilgauskgus's name..i know you got him in our league..he was absolutely killing the lakers tonight

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<< <i>hey auto i thought for sure by now you'd be droppin Ilgauskgus's name..i know you got him in our league..he was absolutely killing the lakers tonight >>



Yep. No Shaq in the paint. I picked Ilgauskas up off of waivers. He was always a good player, but was always injured. 23 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, and 4 blocks. Not too bad at all.

KOBEcollector

so does that mean when shaq comes back you'll drop him

Quasar31

oh lord not the kobe thing again

JoeBenson

i'd rather have 40 points than a triple double.....If there so good, why not give up Kobe for Kidd? Assists can be an overrated stat, and underrated stat....same with rebounds...how amounts of points are earned

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<< <i>so does that mean when shaq comes back you'll drop him >>



Nope. He and Shaq will be my 2 Centers. My team is going to be the BOMB!. Just going to set up my roster and let it run. Here is my projected line up.

PG: Tony Parker
SG: Voshon Leonard
G: Jerry Stackhouse
SF: Pau Gasol
PF: Kenyon Martin
F: Glenn Robinson
C: Zydrunas Ilgauskas
C: Shaquille O'Neal
Util: James Posey (with rotate w/ Malik Rose, Drew Gooden, & Tony Delk). All depends on what stats I am low in.

DaBeef

<< <i>oh lord not the kobe thing again >>



Basketball season is waaaaay to long, this just adds to it.....

Detlef Schrempf could take em all......

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<< <i>i'd rather have 40 points than a triple double.....If there so good, why not give up Kobe for Kidd? Assists can be an overrated stat, and underrated stat....same with rebounds...how amounts of points are earned >>



Apparently it's done something. Marbury scored more points than Kidd. NJ made the trade and now NJ is a better team because of the extra assists.

KOBEcollector

lol i hear ya DaBeef . im first and foremost concerned with the lakers as a team then kobe..he'll be fine..the 4peat is all that matters

auto, shaq is definetly going to help you out when he comes back ( i believe they said on tonights telecast he'll be back a week from tonight but i caught the end of what the announcer was sayin so i can't be positive ) shaq will bring your free throw % down but thats nothing considering what else he does

JoeBenson

no i wouldt say its the same team as when marbury played...

mutombo!
kittles! (was even retired at one point)
richard jefferson!
kmart! (although i believe he played his rc year when marbury was there BUT was hurt half the year PLUS was a RC)

thats not the same team really, 4 very solid players!!!

KOBEcollector

no it isn't the same nets team but i think kidd brought a whole different attitude to the nets when he came over.. marbury was more of a shoot first type of pg where kidd tries to get every1 else involved. a team game

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<< <i>no i wouldt say its the same team as when marbury played...

mutombo!
kittles! (was even retired at one point)
richard jefferson!
kmart! (although i believe he played his rc year when marbury was there BUT was hurt half the year PLUS was a RC)

thats not the same team really, 4 very solid players!!! >>



Mutombo wasn't there when they went to the championship last season. Remember they couldn't find an answer for shaq in the inside. They tried both Collins & MacCullough. Shaq schooled both of them. So it was the same players. Kidd just came in and started feeding the ball and creating shots for players just like that amazing needle and tread pass he did from half court which went through 2-3 defenders. Was a "perfect" bounce pass. Kidd sees the entire court. Marbury only saw the basketball and the rim.

JoeBenson

they werent on marbury's squad:

kittles! (was even retired at one point)
richard jefferson!
kmart! (although i believe he played his rc year when marbury was there BUT was hurt half the year PLUS was a RC)

nor maccallogh

totally different team!!! and van horn was there last year (the year b4 that he was injured half the year too)

so i wouldnt compare the teams marbury had and kidd has now, a few near all-star type players make a differece, looks like the Kings of the east to me

Cyphilissb

if the lakers had shot any sort of decent percentage, kobe would have had 15 or more assists(sp?) maybe he would also have had a few less rebounds, but credit this loss to the lakers playing sh!tty as a whole not on kobe alone.

baird34

<< <i>i'd rather have 40 points than a triple double.....If there so good, why not give up Kobe for Kidd? Assists can be an overrated stat, and underrated stat....same with rebounds...how amounts of points are earned >>



explain to me how a assist is an overated stat? .... a player passes the ball to a teammate who hits the shot = 2 points. a player takes the ball all the way down court w/o looking for any open teammates and dunks the ball = 2 points. seems to me that they both result in the same thing.


and you cant even start to compare kidd and marbury... you truthfully can not think that the nets would be in the same situation they are in now with marbury still at PG... they have the people on the team to score... they need someone who will lead the team by getting those guys the ball... not by putting up 30 shots a night and hoping for them to grab the boards off your misses. a great PG is a pass first... shoot second player... you can look at any of the great PG and see that is how they make their team win.

JoeBenson

bulls didnt have a very good PG in ther dynasty, Lakers didnt have a veryg ood PG in there dynasty....its not needed

JoeBenson

and besides, some guys get to touch the ball every possession and get many more opportunities...think about that baird also example, i seen kidd give it to guys and they do the work and kidd gets credit for assist, its BS, not like he free'd them up for an open shot, now thats an assist, actually assiting the player, not just passing it to them, basketball goes beyond what it says on paper, believe it or not! Besides, a player who gets assists is not somebody who can take over and do it themselves, a player like Kidd is just a great PG...Not a dominating player, thats the bottom line, Nets fans will disagree but thats part of being faithful to your team which is commendable

ilya

thank you!!! lol


i agree, the definition of 'assist' is weird.. i mean, honestly, why should Kobe get credit for a shot Shaq makes, when all kobe did was dump the ball in the low post?? (had to use Kobe as an example :-d).

now if he drove through the lane, and FOUND him, that would be a different story...

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<< <i>bulls didnt have a very good PG in ther dynasty, Lakers didnt have a veryg ood PG in there dynasty....its not needed >>



False. That all depends on your team. Do you think the Lakers could have won those championships back in the day without Magic? Or the Pistons without Isiah Thomas & Joe Dumars? It all depends on where the leadership role is played. The Bulls leader wasn't a point guard. The Laker's leader is not a point guard. It just depends on who is the leader of the team and how the offense is set up. Remember Magic's go to man was James Worthy which is basically a Stockton to Malone type combo.

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<< <i>thank you!!! lol


i agree, the definition of 'assist' is weird.. i mean, honestly, why should Kobe get credit for a shot Shaq makes, when all kobe did was dump the ball in the low post?? (had to use Kobe as an example :-d).

now if he drove through the lane, and FOUND him, that would be a different story... >>



My definition is a player creating an open shot for another teammate and that teammate executes. For example, if a guard drives the lane, draws a double team and dishes it to the open man for an easy score, he assisted in that. If someone gets a rebound and throws a perfect football pass down the court to an open teammate for a dunk, he assisted in that score. If the pass wasn't perfect, it would probably be a turnover. So, I agree with you

uwftke26

Here we go again. When the Lakers lose, Kobe did all he could and his teammates suck. When they win, it's because he carried them to victory. Someone should tell these guys that Kobe does have a mortal game here and there, believe it or not.

mik

<< <i>
kmart! (although i believe he played his rc year when marbury was there BUT was hurt half the year PLUS was a RC)
>>



Kenyon Martin was a "Rookie Card"?

baird34

<< <i>and besides, some guys get to touch the ball every possession and get many more opportunities...think about that baird also example, i seen kidd give it to guys and they do the work and kidd gets credit for assist, its BS, not like he free'd them up for an open shot, now thats an assist, actually assiting the player, not just passing it to them, basketball goes beyond what it says on paper, believe it or not! >>



first of all i said look at any great POINT GAURD and the one's with the great teams are the ones who were pass first ... shoot second. I didnt say, what great team didnt have a PG. and by the way you are true that the bulls didnt have a true PG... but if u knew a lot about the triangle offense... a true PG is not really needed... it is about the whole team knowing how to read your teammates cuts and getting them the ball. second... i know basketball is not just on paper... i have played organized basketball all the way up thru my junior year in college... so i guess i know a little bit about playing the game. another part of the PG's job is to get the ball to someone who has a mismatch... lets say for Kidd for instance... see's mutombo down low with Aaron McKie on him for whatever reason. He gets him the ball... Dikembe does a little work and gets the 2 points. But kidd still gets the assist. remember basketball goes beyond what you are just sitting there watching on TV.

the only reason i am arguing you is b/c of your statment about marbury would be able to have the nets playing like they are now... a Pass First PG will make all the difference in the world for a team that is filled with guys who can put the ball in the basket. back with marbury on the team they just had another player to take 25 shots a night. just look in pheonix... all the talent he has around him and still trying to put up his 20 points a night. its not getting the suns very far is it??



<< <i>Besides, a player who gets assists is not somebody who can take over and do it themselves, a player like Kidd is just a great PG...Not a dominating player, thats the bottom line, Nets fans will disagree but thats part of being faithful to your team which is commendable >>



and yes... i am a nets fan... and yes i disagree that Kidd can not take over when he has to. I dont know how many nets games you watched last year, but when someone has to step up and hit a big shot... or when no body else is draining their shots... i dont know how many times last year Jason Kidd put the nets on his shoulders and carried them to a win. There was nobody on the nets last year other them him who could do that for them.

oh by the way... Tmac put up some great #'s last year too but what was the Magic's record? Its nice to have Hill back putting up almost a triple-double every night. It really must help a team out a lot to have someone as well rounded of a fundamental ball player as Grant Hill.