New Grading Special

metalmike20

Did everyone see the new set registry special?? $5 a card from 72-present. Time to prepare more cards!!!!


New Special

mikeschmidt

Very pleased by this Special. Pleased indeed!

Hello Mike Schmidt cards!

downgoesfrazier

"Oh, and PSA lands an uppercut to SGC, that's gotta hurt! Downgoesfrazia! Downgoesfrazia!"
SGC offers their "special" at $7 for the registry launch on Nov. 7th and PSA counters with this...time to break that vendor!

1420sports

SGC offers their "special" at $7 for the registry launch on Nov. 7th and PSA counters with this...time to break that vendor!

yeah, I am constantly reminded about these specials almost daily via email ..... DELETE

SAHDofTwins

Do all cards submitted within one submission, under this special, have to be for the same registered set? Or can the submission be a combination of cards that will be added to mutiple registered sets?

bengineno9

qualitycards

SAH - They can be a combination, as long as you have all sets registered or plan to register them upon your submissions arrivial...jay

LuxuryWines

IN the Immortal words of Homer J Simpson WOOOHOOO!

FB

The 72 freaks second that!

boggs301012

I saw it just a minute ago and was thrilled. Very happy Maybe I can achieve 50% soon. Time to stat buying cards in bulk again. And I just signed up for sat Overtime at work.

aro13

Wow! That is a great deal. Anybody know why they decided that the cutoff should be 1972?

tbub

KING KELLOGG

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BINGO!!!...Submit...Submit...Submit.....................

(I didn't have too many 3 Stooges cards)...Thanks PSA.

The Kellogg's machine is turned back ON!!!



KING KELLOGG.

ChrisKK

I would think the NEW special really leaves a sour taste in the mouths of the 1970 and 71 collectors. have the submissions dried up from those two years to warrant them being excluded? How did 72 become the cut off?

Sorry for the negativity, you knew someone wouldn't be happy.

acowa

Take a look at prices of commons of 1972 and later ... you can buy many of them for at or below the cost of grading. This puts a serious damper on submissions of those cards. 1971's are a different story...Just my opinion.


Regards,


Alan

doc

As a '71 collector, I am really glad they stopped it at 1972. Although there are a variety of factors that have led to the drop in market price for commons, the registry specials have certainly contributed to the decline. I would have hated to see that happen to the 71s as well...

Frank B...dont you think this will end up hurtng the value of your 72 set? Granted its great in the short term, but wont the market correct itself before too long to account for the increase graded cards...even for 9s?

Steve P.

mcastaldi

Steve> I think at some point dealers will have to grasp the concept that population affects their returns. This happened to 1975s this past summer and anything that wasn't a low-pop card was lucky to get $8 per. There were just too many cards relative to the number of active collectors of the issue. This already happened to 1972T PSA8s. I'm sure Carlos will agree when I say I was generally unimpressed with the prices I realized when I chose to sell off my set. As you mentioned, I think this will eventually affect 72T PSA9s as those numbers increase. The advantage to 72T PSA9s is that there are two active and capable set builders doing the set in only PSA9s so there should still be a decent market - at least in the near term.

Mike

MLTucker

"how did 72 become the cut off?"


1972 - 2002 is 30 years which is a nice round number.

thejam

earlier than 1972 is considered vintage , right??

jaxxr

Vintage = one's particular opinion.

1980 and earlier per Beckett ( last year of Topps' monopoly, start of multiple excess sets in 81)
1977 is 25 years old, vintage to the general public
1975 and earlier per PSA
1973 last year cards issued via series
1968 used to be the cutoff per Beckett
1957 first year cards made in standard, modern size
1956 last year cards made in "odd' sizes ( where can I get some penny sleeves ? )
1945 and earlier, pre-war cards
1932 and earlier, early gum, candy and tobacco cards

Take your pick, or decide on a different year yourself. It's no big deal, but I kind of like 1980 as the first year of "vintage" as it was the last year there was less than 800 cards via a major card company or companies, even in the 50s when Bowman and Topps both printed, there were less than 800 major co. cards per year. Now with inserts and other gimmicks it seems there are 800 possible SETS to choose from !

missinglink

Doc. I agree with you to a point but think you have nothing to worry about...


<< <i>As a '71 collector, I am really glad they stopped it at 1972 >>




I mainly collect vintage cards from the 50's and 60's and I would like to see a set registry special so I could get some cards graded cheap however; this isn't likely to happen because there isn't an abundance of those cards out there to grade. There will always be some but can you really afford to buy hundreds of commons from this era and submit them? IF you can afford it can you FIND them? NO.
(and if one of you you know where there is an abundance of high grade 50' & 60's commons let me know)

PSA is in business to make money. To make money offering a DISCOUNT you have to increase VOLUME. The reason they make a set registry special for 1972 and later is because quite frankly there is an abundance of those HIGH GRADE cards in existence that many collector's simply would not submit unless the price becomes attractive. At $5 and $6 this is accomplished. Also, since most of these cards are in mainly high grade PSA can grade these cards quicker. PSA would argue my point but it is really just common sense. Pick up a card from the 90's and time yourself to assign a grade to the card. Now do it with a card from the 50's. By human nature you will spend more time grading that card. It just takes longer to assign an accurate and fair grade. Look at all the variables.

Poor card stock

less technolgy in the printing process,

packing with gum, tobacco, cigarettes, Hot Dogs and Potato Chips

This is where I completely agree with
mcastaldi .


<< <i>TextThere were just too many cards relative to the number of active collectors of the issue. This already happened to 1972T PSA8s. I'm sure Carlos will agree when I say I was generally unimpressed with the prices I realized when I chose to sell off my set. As you mentioned, I think this will eventually affect 72T PSA9s as those numbers increase >>



I recently reflected on something I was holding onto. I had several PSA 9's from 1972 and 1973 baseball. Several of them very low pop cards and many 1/1. I decided to sell them for mainly 2 reasons
#1) I wasn't collecting or building those sets.
#2) I realized that these cards were actually at the PEAK of their $$ potential. That being said I of course wish the economy was strong like a few years ago because I would have gotten more out of them. I believed the cards were at their peak because as more of these cards are submitted due to low grading fees and low common card prices it is easy for others to get "9's". Theoretically you can be in these cards for less than $6 or $7 dollars. Alot of people can do that! I recently sold them on ebay and was also disappointed at the prices I got. $20-$30 for 1/1's!

Collectors ie. consumers may be slow to realize this but eventually they will stop paying extreme prices(DEMAND) as population report numbers increase (SUPPLY).

I remember 5 or 6 years ago when grading wasn't nearly as accepted as it is today. I paid $90 for a 90 Score Supplemental Emmitt Smith in PSA 8.
Enjoy a laugh at my expense. I still have the card because I like Emmitt Smith. He recently became the all time leading rusher. I can get a PSA 8 for less than $40. Supply is high and everyone had/has alot of cards from that ERA to submit and still submit them trying to get the elusive "PSA 10".

Joe Orlando and many others have said this time and again. If you collect because you like the players or cards then you won't be disappointed. This is true of me and my Emmitt card.

If you are collecting for investment and want a good ROIC (return in invested capital) then you better be purchasing the highest grade from as far in the past as you can afford because their isn't much of it, they aren't producing more of it, and someone will always want it.

These are just my thoughts. I too will be taking advantage of this grading special as I have decided to put that Emmitt card in a registry set and collect the ALL Time Great Running Backs.

I LOVE THIS HOBBY

crazysc

Here is the question that determines what registry special is done:


How can we (PSA) create a special that will encourage people to submit cards they would not otherwise submit at a higher price level, that will keep the cannibalization of our current submissions at such level to a minimum?


Let's face it - is there a single baseball (or any sport?) card from pre-60 that is NOT worth getting graded in PSA 8 or better? The cheapest straight PSA 8 card I could find with a search of "195* PSA 8" was 1959 Topps GEORGE STRUGAR #121 PSA 8 - which sold for $8.27. Point is, anything PSA 8 or better from the '50s is being sent in without any special. '60s are similar, though not to that degree. More importantly, would submissions of such go up to account for the number of cards PSA WON'T receive at a higher level?

In my mind, I see the following as sources for potential cards to be graded, which are not currently being graded in massive qtys:

1) Vintage high dollar stars in low grade - PSA 3-6 range of $100+ raw BV. Cards like a 56T Koufax in VG, etc.

2) Cards not quite as highly valued, but in better overall condition. Things like a 72T Clemente in PSA 6-7.

3) '50s and some early '60s PSA 7 caliber commons, and '70s PSA 8 caliber. There are TONS of '70s PSA 8 quality cards out there, if more people would be interested in grading them.

I've always felt - there needs to be product for there to be a market. And the specials allow people to get the product into the market, without as much risk...

acowa

Here's a good reason to have the cutoff at 1972:

Click here


Regards,


Alan

qualitycards

Alan - Yikes! a 30 year old Yankee in PSA-8 for $2.50 ...jay

KING KELLOGG

Ha!!

The shipping was a buck more that the graded 8!!

Good hit Acowa.



KING KELLOGG.

mcastaldi

Alan and Larry> The funny thing is that 8 months ago that was a low-pop card.

Mike

KING KELLOGG

mcastaldi...

Yeah Mike...I think I paid $20.00 or so for mine!!

(maybe came out of your collection Mike...Hmmmm)



KING KELLOGG

acowa

Mike,

If you want the card...I will consider it as my contribution to the start of a "mcastaldi is back" registered set.


Regards,


Alan

mcastaldi

Alan> A valiant attempt but with 78, 79, & 80 going I'll more than have my hands full with graded sets. Starting to put some ungraded sets together too - one of which happens to be 72T

Mike