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Conder101/Russ/Dog: Peace Dollar & Sac Buck Sample Slabs Better Scans!!!

OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Just got my 1923 Peace buck in NGC sample holder. Grade says MS-60, but I think it's WAY over that. I know I probably overpaid, but I hadn't bought a coin in over three days and I was a little antsy. Auction closed without any bidders so I e-mailed him an offer and he took it. What are these things worth, anyway?

Cheers,

bob

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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Peace dollar? No idea what it's worth. Kennedy sample slabs are $5 to $10.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • MAULUMALLMAULUMALL Posts: 711 ✭
    Put up a pic.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Pictures here...
  • MAULUMALLMAULUMALL Posts: 711 ✭
    I like it.I belive that I paid $75.00 for my ms65 for that year.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I also found a Sac buck PCGS sample.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ, BTW, do all 64 AH Kennedy proof sets have the pointed 9 dime? Does it carry a premiun?

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Russ, BTW, do all 64 AH Kennedy proof sets have the pointed 9 dime? >>



    All pointed 9 dime sets that I have received have had an Accented Hair Kennedy, 12 or 13 sets so far. Whether or not that is true for every set produced with a pointed 9 dime, I won't know until I've bought them all.image As far as any premium for the dime, I don't think there is any. At least I hope not, since all I've ever done with them is stuff them in the rolls of dimes I sell of on eBay.

    BTW, is that Peace really that color? It's pretty.image

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Russ,

    Actually, it's blast white. But I just got one in the mail that is a real nice lavender.
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭
    From what I have seen silver dollar sample slabs seem to bring in the $18 to $25 dollar range. You have an NGC 4S2 possibly from the same group that Dog and I have examples from. I believe he has # 199999-012 and I have 199999-022. From what I understand these dollar sample slabs were only distributed to dealers, rather than the general public like most samples are, to familiarize them with the new hologram labeled slabs. As such they are probably scarcer than most sample slabs. Scarcer does not mean that they aren't available. I have seen maybe 10 pieces.
  • DanCDanC Posts: 1,189


    << <i>I won't know until I've bought them all >>



    Just wait until I have some money again... peckerwood! imageimage
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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Conder,

    Does this mean that I have #003 in this series? Were there Morgans? How many were there? How do you know so much about these? How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?...Sorry, got carried awayimage
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    I think I saw that one. I was so excited when my search hit on a Peace Dollar Sample Slab. But the opening bid was $49 so I didn't even to put it on my watch list.
    It's a cool Sample anyway.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dog,

    This is the one! I e-mailed the seller about three or four days before auction end with an offer. He said if it doesn't sell he'd accept. Auction ended and he e-mailed me.

    I'm going to scan it at work. It's nearly mark-free and totally white.

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Hmmmm.... I wonder why I didn't think of making the seller an offer?
    A Peace Sample Slab is hard to find.
    Hope you got a good deal on it! image
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • BladeBlade Posts: 1,744 ✭
    Can someone educate me - what are sample slabs? Why would someone need a sample?
    Tom

    NOTE: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

    Type collector since 1981
    Current focus 1855 date type set
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭
    Traditionally the first part of an NGC serial number indicates the submission and the last three digits indicates the order in which the coins from that submission were entered into the computer. Yours was the third coin from this batch entered, Dog's was the 12th, mine was the 22nd. At least this is has been my understanding of how their numbering system works. So there is no special significance to the order.

    Yes there were Morgans in the batch, Dog's was an 1884-O if I remember correctly. Mine is a 1922.

    I don't know the total number of pieces in the submission.

    I've been around a long time, I've seen a lot, I pick up bits and pieces of information all the time and I put it all together.

    He'd chuck all the wood a woodchuck could, if a woodchuck could chuck wood.

    How about some pictures of that PCGS golden dollar sample? It might be something new. I haven't seen a golden dollar in a sample slab before.
  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    Mine was unusual in that it has a rev rainbow crescent MS60 Morgan. Also unusual in that I'll bet it is the only Sample Slab entered in NGC's Set Registry.
    I also have submission 199999-019 which is an ungraded 1961 10¢, FA 00 NGC.
    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.
  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    Outhaul, in case you were wondering what the peace dollar is worth under normal circumstances, the '22 and '23 are the most common and *from the scan* yours looks to be about average. Outside of the holder, I'd say it's about a $20-$25 coin. Only if it grades 66 or higher is there a real premium on it. If it looks super-high grade, I'd crack it out and submit it, but I doubt it is super high grade. I'd just keep it as is.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the Sac...Sorry, but my scanner sucksimage
  • Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536 ✭


    << <i>Can someone educate me - what are sample slabs? Why would someone need a sample? >>



    Sample slabs are slabs, usually containing very low value items (typically silver dimes, state quarters, wheatcents), that are produced by the slabbing/certification/grading services and given away at coin shows they attend. These sample slabs are a combination advertisement, business card, and educational item used to familarize collectors and dealers with their product, especially if a change has been made to the slab design. When PCGS and NGC added holograms to their slabs, after the counterfeit PCGS slab scare, they each produced a group of sample slabs with much higher value items thet were distributed just to dealers to show THEm how the companies had responded to the threat. PCGS used 1964 Kennedy halves and Morgan dollars for theirs, NGC used proof washington halves and morgan and peace dollars. More recent from Outhaul's golden dollar slab it looks like PCGS may have done it again to introduce the blue labels with the series and coin numbers.

    Why would someone need a sample?

    As can be imagined sample slabs are a special item and are much scarcer than regular production slabs. Over the years at least 46 different varieties of sample slabs have been produced and they are becoming collectible in their own right. I know of at least five people who are actively collecting sample slabs and I am sure there are more. Most collectors who have been in the hobby for a few years have picked up one or two samples at shows and more collectors seem to think they are pretty neat. Eventually more of these people may decide to start seeing how many others they can accuire which will increase the demand for the older ones.

    What I can't figure out is why they don't show up more often. It's not like they are crackout candidates, and who would throw them away? I would think that most of the sample slabs that have been made should still be out there. Probably most of the peple holding them figure they have no value so they just are placed on the market.
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Better sample Sac buck scans
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ttt...for the benefit of the sample slab expertsimage

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