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Crossover Testimonials - ACG to PCGS or NGC - RESULTS UPDATE

BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
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Hi folks,

I sent in a couple of ACG slabs for crossover today and since I haven't done this before I was hoping I could get some feedback from others that might have been down this road already. BTW, the coins are modern gold aand in great condition. Does that spell trouble for me? image

Thanks
BxB




Thought I'd post the results for my ACG modern gold crossovers - both were originally 70s

LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY GRADE
1 60052070 Stadium $5 1995-W MS69
2 60052071 Statue Lib G$5 1986-W PR68DC (that sucks - not even 69) image

Comments

  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    I hope you are kidding!image

    Seriously, I doubt either company would cross an ACG coin, but we will see what others say.

    JJacks

    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
    Not kidding image

    You really think they would refuse to crack 'em out and grade them?
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Just crack them and submit raw. Acg is very loose on grading modern coins.
    They probably have more 70's than all the other services combined.
    They wouldn't refuse to crack them but just seeing a acg slab makes some people angry image
  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
    too late to crack 'em myself cause they are on their way already
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    According to Rick Montgomery the best way to submit proofs is in the plastic capsule, so your mistake was to check off the "crossover" box.

    You should have just submitted then in the plastic ACG holders and paid $10 Modern fee.

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  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Bsqr,

    Post the results. I'd be curious to see. Not to put you on the spot, but what did you think of the coins. Were they nice? What grade was on the holder?
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  • paulheeppaulheep Posts: 184
    Remember, ACG slabs the coins and gives the grade you expect as indicated on your submission form. I have not actually submitted to ACG myself but have bought a few ACG slabbed coins if the price was good for the real grade. Here are my past results.

    1913-D ty2 Buffalo 5c ACG MS64 now PCGS MS63
    1916-D Buffalo 5c ACG MS64 PCGS AU58
    1926-d Buffalo 5c ACG MS63 PCGS AU58

    Paul
  • heavycopperheavycopper Posts: 99 ✭
    Call them and tell them to cross at any grade. If you don't do that they will come back in the ACG holders.
  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
    Doug - I left them in their slabs. No crack out. I figured I'd let PCGS take care of that.

    Don - I inspected them as best I could with a 12x loupe. They looked good to me. One was a PR-70 FWC and the other was an MS-70. The only problems I could find were with the slabs themselves which appeared to be cavitating (both of them).

    Heavy - I did not specify a minimum grade on the submission form. Is that the same or do I have to designate cross at any grade somehow?
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Four ACG 1964 PR70CAM Kennedy halves became three PCGS PR67 and one PR68. No CAMs.

    When I first started, I thought I'd discovered some kind of eBay secret with ACG, NTC and ICG slabs so I bought a bunch.image Then I found this place and all has been well since.image

    Russ, NCNE
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  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
    oh man - that's tough Russ.

    I would be fairly disappointed if either came back less than 69

    I mean, why else did I tape a 50 spot to each slab? image
  • beornbeorn Posts: 211 ✭
    i had 4 morgans in acg slabs.....2 came back the same grade,the other 2 were 2 grades lower,however i busted them out and sent them in raw
  • ToneloverTonelover Posts: 1,554 ✭
    Your 70's are guaranteed to come back as you sent them in because PCGS has a stated policy of not crossing 70's from any service. Since they can't take the coin out of the holder to inspect the rims they can't possibly consider the coin for crossover and will send it back as it was.
  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,972 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ok, rock Y roll:
    1965 ACG MS69 (not "SMS") crosses to PCGS MS66.

    1964 Rainbow Toned ACG MS67 Kennedy- two attempts to cross with PCGS, no cross on 'questionable color'- one attempt with NGC: crosses at MS65.

    1970-D ACG MS67DML (does have nice mirrors for a MintState), no cross with PCGS (altered surfaces)- crosses with NGC at MS65.

    1974-S Ike dollar, PCI MS68- no cross with PCGS (cleaned?), crossed the first time with NGC MS67* (star).

    1971-D Peacock toned Ike PCI MS66 to PCGS MS65 ($1,000.00 color!!).

    Rainbow toned ACG MS68 mid fifties Lincolns (five of them- bought from centiles for about $9.99 each- I was the only bidder- crosses into PCGS MS65/66 R/B holders. That's OK- I just wanted to authenticate the cool colors!

    $100.00 NGC MS68* 1995-D Kennedy crosses into a PCGS MS68 (pop 5) holder.

    PCI Rainbow Toned American Silver Eagles- crosses into PCGS holders. Cool.

    Many others, but these are the fun ones in the last few months.


    peacockcoins

  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
    tone,

    you said, "Your 70's are guaranteed to come back as you sent them in because PCGS has a stated policy of not crossing 70's from any service. Since they can't take the coin out of the holder to inspect the rims they can't possibly consider the coin for crossover and will send it back as it was."

    so even though I specified no min. grade you are saying that PCGS will not crack 'em out, grade, and slab because they are 70s? If they crack 'em out then they can inspect the rims. I don't understand, could you elucidate a little more for me. thanks

    Braddick - that's some list, much thanks
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭
    Well as long as Russ is having a come to Jesus moment, I'll confess too.

    I always hated ebay because an auction means that nobody but you is willing to pay more for it than you. But last year I needed a camera and got one on eBay. As long as I was there I couldn't think of anything else to buy and saw they had coins. I always wanted a $2.50 Indian but couldn't afford one, so now I could so I bought one.

    Then I got out my old 1987 redbook and looked at the prices and what bargains there were on ebay. Since I had been away from it for years I didn't remember which were the good and bad grading companies since they were just starting up back then.

    So I loaded up on about $600 in morgans from a seller on ebay and was all posied to make a quick grand profit by selling them to the local coin dealer who wasn't sharp enough to get this valuable inventory from ebay. image

    One offered me $85 and the other $80. Both said the same thing - "Don't buy this crap. Only buy NGC or PCGS"

    I was able to return those, but my coin Jones got worse and worse.

    Then I saw the PCGS registry and decided to collect Modern Commemorative $1 Proofs. That lead to the 50c, then the gold and then I had the #1 Set. So after the Awards I had WAY too many coins and sold out when I was #1 because upgrading to 70DC's wasn't something I was going to do.

    Since I always liked the $2.50 / $5.00 Indians I decided on the 20th Century Major Gold Design 8-piece set. I'm #5 (#1 is about a $200k set) so I'm going to send them in for my free pedigree and keep those.

    I thought I was done, but I only need 4 more coins to complete the 12 piece set...



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  • JJacksJJacks Posts: 759 ✭

    BSqr,

    I beleive what tone said was correct. Remember that once PCGS cracks a coin out, they can't put it back in the other guys holder! Therefore, if you send an MS70 in, PCGS cannot properly analyize the coin without cracking it out, therefore they will not crack it out. I think this was stated on this board somewhere earlier.

    Your best bet may be to call PCGS and ask them to "Cross at any grade" where they will put it in a PCGS holder (unless they feel the coin is cleaned, damaged, etc.), but they will give the coins whatever grade they feel is correct, which may be lower then the ACG grade.

    JJacks


    Always buying music cards of artists I like! PSA or raw! Esp want PSA 10s 1991 Musicards Marx, Elton, Bryan Adams, etc. And 92/93 Country Gold AJ, Clint Black, Tim McGraw PSA 10s
  • BigD5BigD5 Posts: 3,433 ✭
    A couple of years ago (I think it was a couple of years ago:confusedimage I was at a show, and a dealer just completed a trade and had taken in some Walkers in acg ms/66 slabs. I was next in line, and looked the coins over, and picked them up rather inexpensively. They were all decent, although not 6's. I sent them off to ngc, and they all came back as ms/65's, as expected. No bags, but I was able to look them over prior to purchasing them and knew the coins were ok, or ok to me anyway.
    I took an acg xf/40 Seated dollar in a trade once, figuring the value at a cleaned xf. The coin had some hairlines, but nothing too bad. Sent it off to anacs and it came back ch.vf/30, with no problems. The services can be lenient with seated dollars. That one worked out in my favor image

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  • CoinutCoinut Posts: 30 ✭
    I kinda figure that ACG will get some very nice coins to grade by uninformed people and there may be some bargains there.My favorate is cracking a PCI MS60 common Morgan and returned as PCGS MS 64.Can you beat that?
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570 ✭

    Just because a coin is in an ACG holder doesn't mean it's a bad coin. It just means you can't rely on the grade that's listed.

    I think if you looked at your ACG PR70DC's and compared them to PCGS PR69DC's you wouldn't find any difference.
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  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Just because a coin is in an ACG holder doesn't mean it's a bad coin. >>



    Yeah, even a broken clock is right twice a day.



    << <i>I think if you looked at your ACG PR70DC's and compared them to PCGS PR69DC's you wouldn't find any difference. >>



    I bought several of those also. They might have been 67's at PCGS. After I cracked them out, I just stuck them in with the rest of the leftovers and auctioned them off in a pile of raw coins.

    BSqr,

    It is not enough to simply not specify a minimum grade on a crossover. You have to actually tell PCGS to cross at any grade.

    Russ, NCNE
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  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
    Thanks everyone for their input.

    Looks like I will have to call PCGS after they receive my coins and tell them to 'cross at any grade'.
  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543

    Thought I'd post the results for my ACG modern gold crossovers - both were 70s

    LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY GRADE
    1 60052070 Stadium $5 1995-W MS69
    2 60052071 Statue Lib G$5 1986-W PR68DC (that sucks - not even 69) image

  • merz2merz2 Posts: 2,474 ✭
    BSqr
    I have to agree with the majority.I'd have cracked them out.I've had them refuse to cross NGC coins.They have a little more respect than ACGimage
    Don
    Registry 1909-1958 Proof Lincolns
  • flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY GRADE
    1 60052070 Stadium $5 1995-W MS69
    2 60052071 Statue Lib G$5 1986-W PR68DC (that sucks - not even 69) >>



    You did OK. You didn't really think an ACG 70 would cross into a PCGS 70, did you? In any case, you did better than my infamous PCI to ICG crossover.
  • BSqrBSqr Posts: 543
    no, I didn't expect either to be 70s.
    nice GW xover image
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    You did your assessment of the 2 coins very well. You didn't expect 70's, as well you shouldn't, and you received a 69 and a 68. Great job!

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