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wayneherndon
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Does this bother anyone?
See the e-mail addresses IN THE TEXT of these auctions:
choochoocoins: look in this auction down near the bottom where it has a link to click on to send e-mail with questions.
work2u: look in this auction in the second paragraph where a contact e-mail is listed.
Note that these two e-mail addresses are the same.
Now check the feedback choochoocoins left work2u on a number of low start, no reserve auctions won by work2u. I tried to find some where work2u bid on choochoocoins items but was not the high bidder (i.e., where the winning bidder paid more due to the bid by work2u) but could not find them due no recent activity from work2u.
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See the e-mail addresses IN THE TEXT of these auctions:
choochoocoins: look in this auction down near the bottom where it has a link to click on to send e-mail with questions.
work2u: look in this auction in the second paragraph where a contact e-mail is listed.
Note that these two e-mail addresses are the same.
Now check the feedback choochoocoins left work2u on a number of low start, no reserve auctions won by work2u. I tried to find some where work2u bid on choochoocoins items but was not the high bidder (i.e., where the winning bidder paid more due to the bid by work2u) but could not find them due no recent activity from work2u.
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i really thought these guys were gonna be good sellers with excellent inventory...sounding like its a bust
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Ray
I also tried to find other examples of bidding by work2u, but I couldn't find any. Who's gonna notify ebay?
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The thing is - he also has over 2000 MORE feedbacks from the SAME E-bay user.
I bid on one of his auctions late last night. This morning I have been outbid....guess who the outbid is by??? Yep - his "alter ego".
His "other" account has 115 feedbacks - from unique users....it actually has over 2000 - almost all from the "other" account.
This is BLATANT! Why doesn't e-bay put a stop to it?
see? My Auctions "Got any 1800's gold?"
You are accusing Powersellers of serious infractions. We all know Powersellers do not engage in that that of activity. It is wrong and they know that. Therefore as a Powerseller they would not do that, right?
Besides as a Powerseller they have special priveledges on eBay. That's right, it's called KMA [kiss my apple], because I am an eBay Powerseller and protect by eBay rules.
What this means is they have a license to steal, cheap, mislead and defraud. What will eBay do about it? Nothing as they are only a "medium" to bring buyers and sellers together.
In case some did not catch my sarcasm......eBay will do nothing, maybe a slap on the wrist. Maybe a warning or 5 day suspension. Sellers like this are too valuable to lose. Figure the revenue they bring in with the listing, final value, ebay store, etc. fees and it is easy to see why a few shill bids is not going to shut them down.
I think if you contact ebay and explain the situation, they'll investigate.
Edited: to rephrase "suspicious"
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I can assure you that the Lincolns I sell on eBay are not garbage...and I don't think Wayne uses eBay as a dumping ground for junk either.
I know that there is a lot of junk out there even in certified holders and I do agree that finding a dealer that you can trust is by far the best way to find quality coins; but I think that eBay is not any worse than many other rare coin venues and though it may not be easy to find them there are quality coins and bargains to be found mixed in with the junk.
RELLA
who boasts of twenty years experience in his craft
while in fact he has had only one year of experience...
twenty times.
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<< <i>I'm sorry, I have to say it - Ebay and teletrade are not much better than TV ads for coins. I am amazed at the effort this forum puts into this. Please don't tell me "you can find really good stuff there". And I'm not buying the story about some people have limited budgets so thats why they shop there. >>
Gotta disagree with you, on all 3 of these points:
1) On eBay YOU control how much you want to pay for a particular coin, the TV hucksters TELL you how much you'll pay for the coin. They are marketing to a non-collecting, uninformed customer base.
2) I have found and will continue to find "really good stuff" on eBay, that is coins priced considerably less than retail right on down to wholesale. Some examples: 1883-CC Morgan dollar, bought raw for $80.00, graded by PCGS as MS-63, 1988 proof ASE, in mint boxes w/COA, bought for $71.00, 1892 Columbian half, PCGS MS-63, $56.00. My local dealer is honest enough, but he would probably laugh me out of his shop if I suggested these kind of prices on these coins. Keep in mind for every coin I bid on, I probably look at 50-100 listings, gives you a pretty good idea what the market price is on any given item.
3) I DO have a limited budget, that's why I shop there. It would be sweet to have "deep pockets" and go to shows puffing on a Cuban laying down big cash to big time dealers but that's just not in my near future. If I had the kind of money to buy "high end" coins, yes, they would be certified and from reputable dealers. Two of these latest eBay scammers had ZERO feedback AND shades. Only a certified idiot would bid hundreds or thousands of dollars on an auction from that type seller.
Joe
When I had my little 'hassle' with him - he claimed to only be a "middle man" for chattanooga coins, and I'd have to call the "owner".
as it turns out - they were one and the same. Definite sleaze-ball alert here.
I like my local coin shops because of incredibly good service. For weeks I have been getting calls and emails from my two local shops informing me they have secured a coin on my want list - putting it aside for me to inspect for purchase prior to making it available in the shop.
This service is invaluable in my opinion, which is why I depend on local shops first, and ebay as a fill in the blank or last resort.
That means you could sell your coins thru either one and if you did would that make them garbage?
There are a lot of GOOD PEOPLE selling. I have gotten "Smokin' deals" on a fairly large number of raw coins that now reside in PCGS and NGC holders. On some I turned around and took in large profits reselling them. You just have to be careful, and get to know who's who. To tell people to buy only certified coins is to tell them to cut themselves off from the REAL deals.
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DanC--they now say the guy who was doing all their listing on eBay has left ("moved out of state"). I think I saw recent auctions under choochoocoins and notice that there is a new e-mail address used on more recent items. It looks like the work2u auctions stopped when the guy moved away.
I did look for recent/current instances of crossbidding and did not find any. If it is still happening, it must be under different IDs. However, it looks like choochoocoins is no longer using the low opening bid, no reserve auctions that could create large losses and are so tempting to potential shillers.
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