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I'm feeling guilty. Your thoughts please ...

I recently put several early non-key circulated washingtons up for auction as an experiment.

I charge $1.65 for shipping and handling (all coins are shipped in a bubble mailer regardless of price) with optional insurance for $1.30.

Three of the auctions closed at $1.99, $2.25 and $2.99. When I received payment the buyers included $1.30 for insurance.

I just could not see going to the post office to insure the above dollar amounts (I walk about fifty feet out my front door to my multi-billion dollar delivery system (the outgoing mail slot in the mailbox kiosk)).

I included $1.30 in cashimage with the coins and sent the bubble mailers on their way (though the Ike dollar and six nickels required me to add more postageimage ).

Now I am having second thoughts. My first thought was that the buyer is not harmed and can only gain. ie. He/she doesn't receive the coin, I send them a full refund or they receive the coin and an extra $1.30.

But my second thought is that I did not do what the buyer requested.

Your thoughts please.

Joe.

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  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    IMHO, you specifically stated that insurance was available and the buyers aparently agreed to pay it. You don't have to be a math whiz to see that the insurance exceeds the value of the coin (some anyway) in question so if they agreed to pay it then that's their decision.

    I would have insured them as requested and sent them on. In this case, if they get to their respective owners without a hitch, and they open the envelopes they will be pleasantly surprised. But, I always do what the customer asks.

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • PetescornerPetescorner Posts: 1,220 ✭✭
    Joe, you should have negged them for not following your payment instructions! image

    Actually, I had a similar situation a while back. One of my buyers responded to my post auction email wanting to know how much extra to add for insurance. This was on a $4 item. I emailed them back that there was no need for them to waste their money, if it got lost in the mail, I would send them another one at no charge.

    In your case, maybe an email to them when you received the extra payment would have been better, but I don't see anything wrong with what you did. I'm sure the buyer will appreciate the money you saved them when they get their coins.
  • LokiLoki Posts: 897 ✭✭
    I would have kept the insurance intact. Buyers want to feel secure, especially with eBay purchases or PO. I have learned thru my dealings not to assume a buyer's motivation for doing something you would think not logical. The customer is always right especially when their piece of mind is at stake, even though sometimes their actions do not make sense to you on the surface. If you decide to really want to deviate from their preferences, email them first and await their response before taking it upon yourself to "make things right". Just my thoughts.
  • leothelyonleothelyon Posts: 8,459 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Good Morning
    I have to agree with the buyer's desire for some assurance in receiving the coin to satisfy one's
    own thirst as a numismatic hobbyist. This outweighs spending another $1.30. From experience,
    I would rather lose the $1.30 over a coin I wanted, in the mail.

    Leo

    The more qualities observed in a coin, the more desirable that coin becomes!

    My Jefferson Nickel Collection

  • Joe - I like the way that you handled it. I suppose that you could have sent an email to each winner after receiving their payment to ask if your intention would be ok, but in the end, if you replace or refund anyway - the coin is "insured." Surprised that they paid for insurance at those costs...

    Bill
    Bartdog
  • I think a brief note accompanying the coins would have covered you and it's not too late for an email to each of the buyers to help ease your mind. It's nice to hear that you've got a fully working conscience. Twowood
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭
    Highly unlikely in this case, but, the buyer, upon delivery, could say he never received the goods, and require reimbursement. (You have no idea it arrived. Ins., in this case, covers your end too.) With higher priced items, the risk is greater.
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    Stacy

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  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭
    RegistryCoin, Insured packages for $50 and under do not require any signature and are not tracked.

    The only difference is that the package has a little oval insured stamp on it. The buyer can still claim he didn't receive it and there would be no way to prove it one way or the other.

    Of course, if it was insured then the Post Office would have to pony up the cost of the goods, but frankly if I did insure the items I doubt I would go through the time and effort required to get the funds back from the Post Office, I would just send the refund out of my own pocket.

    Insurance for items of such little value is not worth the cost or effort IMHO.

    However, there may be some reasons that I am not thinking of as to why someone would want insurance at this low level. That's why I posted this thread and I appreciate all the responses.

    Joe.
  • RegistryCoinRegistryCoin Posts: 5,117 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Of course, if it was insured then the Post Office would have to pony up the cost of the goods >>


    Yep. image
  • prooflikeprooflike Posts: 3,879 ✭✭
    the customer paid for a service that you offered and you denied them this service.

    You are taking the entire risk now, not only the item but now $1.30 each item.


    image
  • zennyzenny Posts: 1,547 ✭✭
    gee whillikers, as long as Russ isn't one of the recipients i think everything's going to be fine. ;-)

  • braddickbraddick Posts: 23,970 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's got to be better than the "self insured" sellers- the ones who insist you pay for insurance, no option, then when the coin arrives you see regular first class postage only. When a friendly email is sent asking about the insurance I'm told the seller "self insured" instead of using the PO.
    (I guess it's then too late to say, "Ok then- my coin package didn't arrive!")

    peacockcoins

  • Hey! I self-insure all the time. Generally it's not worth the hassle with the Post Office -- for buyer or seller -- for less valuable coins. Far easier for me to just write the buyer a check on the occasions that it is lost. I have come out ahead in the long run and everyone is happier.

    And as mentioned, insurance does not make it more likely the coin will get there... if anything, probably the opposite, until you get into signature required or, better, Registered Mail.

    But if the buyer specifically requests it, especially if they send extra money to cover it, then I do as they wish, even if it makes no sense to me.

    For example, maybe in UncleJoe's case the buyer thinks they cherry-picked a valuable variety, and they want it insured for $50 even though they only paid $1.99 for the coin. If you don't insure it, and it gets lost, you're in a bad situation -- they want their $50 coin and you want to refund their $1.99 bid price.
  • airplanenutairplanenut Posts: 22,148 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>For example, maybe in UncleJoe's case the buyer thinks they cherry-picked a valuable variety, and they want it insured for $50 even though they only paid $1.99 for the coin. If you don't insure it, and it gets lost, you're in a bad situation -- they want their $50 coin and you want to refund their $1.99 bid price. >>

    If they took it up with the USPS, they would still only get their $1.99 buy price, not the $50 it may hold.

    Jeremy
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  • Dog97Dog97 Posts: 7,874 ✭✭✭
    UncleJoe that was pretty nice of you but you are depending on Scouts Honor. We're talking eBay here, psycho buyers, TOS, and picky people that love to slam other people.
    You could get a neg saying "Paid for insurance but never got coins" "Paid insurance refund in foreign currency" or some foolishness like that.
    Myself never would have asked you to insure a $2 coin but if I paid for the insurance I would expect you to send the coin insured no matter what you thought was best. image

    Change that we can believe in is that change which is 90% silver.

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