Mainstream?!

mikeschmidt · October 21, 2002 5:43AM

On my Mike Schmidt Basic Player Registry update (done in consortium with the help of Messieurs James Kendall and Neal Kane), Joe Orlando vetoed the following cards as not being mainstream:

70 1975 TOPPS MINI MIKE SCHMIDT
41 1977 TOPPS CLOTH STICKERS MIKE SCHMIDT
16 1988 SCORE MIKE SCHMIDT
U-131 1989 FLEER UPDATE MIKE SCHMIDT
149 1989 SCORE MIKE SCHMIDT

Now -- I wasn't even born in 1975, but it seems clear to me today that 1975 Topps Mini is a mainstream set. 1977 Topps Cloth sticker -- though ugly, also qualifies. But having grown up and collected in the late 1980s, I can say without qualification that I have NO IDEA how Score regular-issue cards are not considered mainstream. In 1988, there was Topps, Score, Donruss and Fleer. Four major sets -- and the occassional update or glossy version. But that was it. How is Score not considered a mainstream set? If these cards were worth anything more than a dime each -- I would probably be boycotting Joe Orlando's office right now.

MS

RobE · October 21, 2002 2:22PM

The Johnny Bench Player set includes a 75 Mini.

invader73 · October 21, 2002 6:08PM

The Matt Williams Player set has the 1988 Score card listed.

matt

mikeschmidt · October 21, 2002 9:16PM

I don't think either of those sets currently have migrated to the basic player set vs. the master set registry. I just can't believe that a Score card or a 1975 Mini is not "mainstream" enough to make it to the basic player set. I guess PSA really wants those basic player set to be as small as possible! (e.g., no All-Star cards, record breaker cards, league leader cards, etc.)

zardoz51 · October 21, 2002 9:48PM

Those cards are as mainstream as one can get. The 1975 mini, although a "test" issue had such wide distribution as to almost be considered a regular issue. The cloth sticker was a "gimmick" issue that again saw wide distribution through regular channels. I remember seeing a box of them in the candy racks at the local 7-11.

As for the 88 and 89 Score and Fleers. I am perplexed. Not mainstream? How? Why? If they are not, then what just does constitute mainstream?

1420sports · October 21, 2002 9:56PM

Marc, I agree about the 75 mini. Even though I do not have one worthy of listing on the set, it should be included.

I believe that if there is a Master set of any player (with notable exceptions like Ripken, Clemens, Bonds, etc due to all of those 90's refractors and such), PSA should list all of the cards for that player they have graded. Topps and Topps Tiffany could be exceptions, as either issue would count in my own opinion.

All Rose and Schmidt Kelloggs cards should be in their Master sets as well.

zardoz51 · October 21, 2002 10:00PM

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kellogg's not included?????????????

Disgraceful!!!!!!!!!!

Marc, when the protest and demonstration starts out there in Newport Beach, count me in among the unruly participants. At least my protest sign will be in 3-D

1420sports · October 21, 2002 10:09PM

Zardoz, the 70 and 71 Kelloggs Rose is on the Master set, but nothing else. I have almost all of the Rose Kelloggs, so I am biased to have these added. However, the Kelloggs Kards are more mainstream to me then say 87 Fleer Glossy.

All cards issued during the players career should be part of the set. This allows for a bigger challenge to complete.

zardoz51 · October 21, 2002 10:13PM

Agreed.

All the mainstream cards (my definition: widely distributed) of a player issued during his playing career should be included.

mikeschmidt · October 21, 2002 10:31PM

All cards ever graded from a player's playing days will be included in the Mike Schmidt Master Set Registry.

I just don't understand why Score and Topps Mini can't be part of the Basic Player Set Registry, too. Oh well. It's almost like throwing the Kelloggs, Topps Mini and Score cards in with the Burger King, Isaly Discs and other cards. Kelloggs obviously rises above cards like those ;-)

(oh no -- I hope I'm not converting!)

zardoz51 · October 21, 2002 10:32PM

Marc

that's Konverting

thegemmintman · October 21, 2002 10:40PM

It was the box of Pops from Korro that won him over

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mikeschmidt · October 21, 2002 11:02PM

So -- is that the person who won one of those Mastro lots that had hundreds of unopened Kelloggs sets from various years -- or is his supply from somewhere else? I'm sure you guys would know.

1420sports · October 21, 2002 11:07PM

that's Konverting

agreed ... Marc would be a very nice addition to the Klub

It was the box of Pops from Korro that won him over

Is it a seller who sends these boxes along with Kelloggs Kards? If so, does any know who it is?

mikeschmidt · October 21, 2002 11:28PM

Neal:

I believe that gemmintman, zardoz and myself (along with a multitude of others) have received a complimentary box of Kellogg's cereal along with their Kelloggs purchases from Ebay...

thegemmintman · October 21, 2002 11:34PM

I'm embarrassed. No make that humiliated!, to admit that I, Gemmint, the Pied Piper of the 3-D world, have never experienced Korro's K Mark.

I guess you have to buy something from him first

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1420sports · October 21, 2002 11:44PM

I will keep you guys informed ....

I just received an email saying my Kelloggs Kards are on their way. It hinted at something else too.

RobE · October 22, 2002 2:25AM

<< <i>I don't think either of those sets currently have migrated to the basic player set vs. the master set registry. I just can't believe that a Score card or a 1975 Mini is not "mainstream" enough to make it to the basic player set. I guess PSA really wants those basic player set to be as small as possible! (e.g., no All-Star cards, record breaker cards, league leader cards, etc.) >>

The Bench set seems to be just a player set not a Basic or Master.It's missing many cards including everyones favorite cereal and a handfull of other nice cards worthy of being listed.

Just my opinion....I believe all cards from a players career should belong in a player set.I can understand a basic player set having less cards for a collector who can't afford some of the higher priced cards.

BTW- what is the difference supposed to be on a player set(not basic) VS. a master set?All-Star cards, record breaker cards, league leader cards, etc.?

mikeschmidt · October 22, 2002 2:48AM

RobE-

My understanding is that every set that is currently listed as a Player Set will eventually be migrating over to a "Basic Player" set and a "Master" set. This process is just beginning, and Mickey Mantle's set is the example examplar, I believe.

RobE · October 22, 2002 3:25AM

Thanks for clearing that up, Marc.I can understand 2 player set variations but 3 just didn't make sense.

Alfiewt · October 22, 2002 9:31PM

MS,

I agree those cards should be part of the basic player set. I also think that All-Star cards, record breaker cards, league leader cards should also be part of the basic player set. It does seem that PSA wants to make the basic player sets a small a possible. I really don't have much of a problem with this because there will be a master set for each player that will list these cards. I'm just glad that PSA decided to make both basic and master sets.

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