Okay, how did this 1970 Kennedy get in an MS66 holder?

Russ

1970 jackhammered PCGS MS66 Kennedy half.

I've had '64's with FAR less dings only make MS65. I had one with the about the same amount get stuck in an MS63 holder.

Russ, NCNE

stman

Looks to be bag marked and some very deep ticks going on.

You still have time to snipe it though.

Stman

supercoin

how did this 1970 Kennedy get in an MS66 holder?

Apparently with the aid of an ice pick.

IrishMike

Russ, could those not be plastic gouges?

Russ

Mike,

I thought that at first, but I pulled the scan down and messed with gamma, inversion, contrast, etc, etc. If they are gouges in the plastic, they are very deep. They are also the typical pattern for bag marks that I've seen on the early ones. Still a possibility, I suppose.

Russ, NCNE

Android

Looks like somebody bought the holder instead of the coin!

Andy

Russ

Andy,

Not really. The price realized is quite a bit less than what these have been bringing in 66 this year, so I think the bidders discounted the coin accordingly.

Russ, NCNE

keithdagen

Russ, the two gouges over the E in We would be consistent with bag marks, but being deeper, might actually be some fragments struck into the coin. If that's struck fragmentation, it won't count against the grade. Area below the mintmark is generally clean on a Kennedy, with most hits occurring on the neck itself. Looks like one that you would need to see in person to be sure.

DCAMFranklin

10....9....8......What's that sir? He what?....7......6.....2,100 submissions this past year....Uh huh....5......."favor coin"? What's that?.....4.....3......Yes, sir. Definitely will streeeeetch to 66....2......1 Yea, that's it. Definitely an MS-66!

Yep, PCGS is definitely grading those Kennedy coins with...... "consistency".

Russ, when you received that 65 & 63, I guess you had not met your annual fee deductible. You can't expect consistent grading until you have gone through your co-insurance phase and reach the 100% portion of the grading plan.

BNE

Jeez, reminds me of the scene in Godfather when they shot Sonny.

DHeath

BNE,

Your icon is the heat. Is it as cam in person as it looks in the scan?

Russ,

Back to the Kennedy, it almost looks like a reeding mark from another coin, but there is also what appears to be pretty bad chatter in the obverse field at 10:00. Looks like a solid MS64.

presleyh

If those marks are on the coin, there is no way it is a 66. If there is no complete pic of the slab in the auction, I would question the validity of this coin being THE coin up for sale. I have never seen a modern slabbed coin in 66 with any obvious marks visible.

keithdagen

presleyh,

How many modern coins have you looked at? Most of my MS-66 pieces in Ikes and Kennedys have visible markings that can be seen with a scan.

RJB

I saw that same coin on Yahoo when the seller had it on there first. I think the buy it now price on Yahoo was less then $80.00. At least the seller was straight-up and gave a nice clear picture so no deception was involved. BOB

andy007

I was watching that one in my watchlist and was going to bid until it got over $25. Looks like a MS65 to me, those are reeding marks from the edge of another Kennedy making contact.

Russ

<< <i>Most of my MS-66 pieces in Ikes and Kennedys have visible markings >>



Particularly if it's an older holder (which this one is). PCGS's protestations to the contrary, their grading standards have tightened considerably.

Russ, NCNE

python

Somebody should shoot that seller

Russ

<< <i>Somebody should shoot that seller >>



Why? The seller fulfilled his obligation perfectly. He provided huge scans of the coin and made no attempt to hide the defects. I have no problem with this seller at all. It's PCGS that stepped in it.

Russ, NCNE

ajaan

python is the seller.

Russ

Oh.

Russ, NCNE

relayer

It looks like JFK was attacked by a vampire.

python

Russ, here's a link to the original auction read the discription, also the picture hid the marks really well, and if you don't believe me look who I was lucky enough to outbid. I really should have tried to return it but I just didn't feel like dealing with it.

Russ

<< <i>MARK-FREE SURFACES >>



Yep, Python, been there. I can't tell you how many PCGS PR69DCAM coins I've bought with an auction description that said "NO HAZE OR SPOTS" only to get them in and find fields full of haze and spots. When I first started, I thought this must be normal (hey, I was new and stupid) and got stuck with a few because I didn't return them. Lost my butt at auction because I described them honestly.

Now, when I get one in like that, it immediately goes back to the seller.

Russ, NCNE

DCAMFranklin

Python-
You "outbid" Braddick?

Looks more like Braddick's day old bid was sniped in the last 18 seconds!

Seems like you guys don't like the way PCGS grades the Kennedy?!