1876-CC type I/I trade dollar

shirohniichan

I ran across my first regular I/I today (i.e. not double-die reverse). This is probably one of the most underrated trade dollars out there in circulated grades. Bowers' book has the scarcity estimates completely backwards, and he says the I/II is 5 to 10 times scarcer. From my experience I'd say the regular type I reverse is about 10 to 20 times scarcer than the type II.

Trade dollar collectors, how many of you have a regular type I reverse in your collection?

Placid

Ngc pops
1876-cc total ms graded 61.
1876-cc ddr total ms graded 8. Highest grade given au58.

shirohniichan

Too bad NGC doesn't distinguish between type 1 and 2 reverses.

If we were to look at 61 certified 1876-CC's, I imagine less than 5 would be non-DDR type 1's.

shirohniichan

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EVillageProwler

I have seen only ONE instance of the T1 non-DDR: the Geosits specimen. TDN tells me that he's seen several, and I just chalked that up to more experience!

EVP

shirohniichan

What I find interesting is how excited some dealers are when they find a type 1 DDR. One even boasted to me that he bought one at the regular price. While they're scarcer than the type 2 reverse, they're much more common than the non-DDR type 1's.

The funny thing is that most dealers wouldn't believe you if you told them, so if you found a non-DDR type 1 in their showcase you'd probably get it for the type 2 price. At least that's what I did.

shirohniichan

TDN? keoj? Are you guys around? Is this thing working?

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shirohniichan

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tradedollarnut

Sorry - just got back from Vegas!

I've seen about 60-80 76-CC's either in person or auction plate. I don't recall noting either of the reverse types particularly scarce - appx an equal distribution of each. I do recall finding that the DDR is a lot more common than I thought it would be - appx 25-30% of all type I's I viewed. This would lead be to believe that type I, non DDR coins comprise about 30-35% of the 76CC population.

Now I'll look up Keoj's numbers:

he shows 25 out of 39 coins he viewed were type II reverse. He estimates the type II reverse to be 4 times more prevalent than the type I.

shirohniichan

He estimates the type II reverse to be 4 times more prevalent than the type I.

I figured it would be scarcer than that. That's the funny thing about one person's observations-- they can be so skewed. Another trade dollar collector said he thought the 1875-S I/II was common since about 1/3rd of the '75-S's he ran across were that variety. I can't remember how many he'd seen, but I'd say only 5% of the 75-S's I've seen have been I/II.

I find it hard to believe that the regular T1 reverse is twice as common as the DDR. Maybe I've just been around a lot of DDR's.

shirohniichan

I got an e-mail from keoj, and he tells me the DDR is more common than the regular reverse. He also said the micro cc (the version I have) is more common than the regular size mintmark.

Here's the one I got. It's got AU details but has been cleaned.

tradedollarnut

In my experience, the micro cc is the rarest, the DDR the second rarest and the normal mintmark the most common of the type I reverses. Obviously experiences vary!

shirohniichan

I guess it's a toss-up. At elast we all agree the T2 reverse is by far the most common.

Here's the obverse.



BTW, according to keoj the micro cc reverse was used on the '73-CC and the '74-CC, but on those coins it demands a premium.