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Who decides the composition of the player sets? I am looking at putting together the Pete Rose player set, but I notice some glaring omissions.

1. The most glaring is that it just stops at 1986. Pete has cards in 87-89 as well.
2. Kellogg’s cards. 1970 and 71 are part of it, but that is it. Why list those two if not the rest.
3. 1968 Topps Game should be a part as well. The 1971 Greatest Moment’s card is part of it.

I understand that there is a limit. There are all sorts of stickers and regional sets that could be added, but you have to draw a line. Where is that line drawn and who draws it?
Looking for 77 cloth 9s and 10s.
54 Red Hearts
and now 64 Stand ups

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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    LJB17 - Usually the cutoff for a player set is when the player played. Once retired, even as a manager, it is no longer included. I started a Mantle registry set on my son's collection, and it stops at 1969 Topps, his last regular issued Topps card (although he retired in '68). The multitude of tribute cards after his career are not included. As far as the missing Kellogg's, I believe if they include a couple, they should include all of them. Bring it to the attention of BJ and I'm sure she will look into it...jay
  • BJ has told me that they would be adding a particular card to the matt williams master set, but has yet to do it. I am assuming that getting the new player sets added is a priority over my request. And I agree with it. image I will just have to grin and bear the wait, lol.
  • murcerfanmurcerfan Posts: 2,329 ✭✭
    Maybe only VINTAGE cards were included. I can live with that, but the others should be included, but massivly dicounted in wieght. Perhaps fractional grades are not yet feasible.
    and.......... of course the '71 Greatest moments cards is included, as it is Pete's best card.
  • I've also noticed the same issues with the Johnny Bench set composition. After talking to BJ, they are in the process of making 2 separate player sets for each player. The 1st would be just the basic cards of each player, and would just be for the years the player actually played. The 2nd set would be a "master" set, including any and all cards on which the player appeared. I'm sure this will take a LONG time to get accomplished, so be patient and I'm sure they will come around eventually.
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    LJB - I spoke to BJ before about the 68 Topps Game as well as all Kelloggs, 87-89 cards etc. I would like to see a Pete set with every card example PSA has graded on it. Email her, she is very nice to deal with and this may push the set higher.

    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    All player sets will be migrating to a basic and a master player set. I would suggest working with Neal Kane and other Pete Rose registrants to determine which cards should be in the basic set. If you guys can put that list and weighting together fairly easily -- the master set BJ can then add with all the playing year Pete Rose cards that there are.

    As far as composition is concerned -- for the Basic Player set, use Mickey Mantle's as a guideline. No All-Star cards, no Tiffany cards, no League Leader, Multi-Player or Record Breaker cards. Those will all be included in the Master Player Registry.

    Marc
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • LJB17LJB17 Posts: 252 ✭✭
    Thanks for the advice. I have e-mailed Neal to discuss this and I will also get in touch with BJ.

    I would like to get a couple of things straight from my comments above.
    1. I do believe the 71 Greatest Moments should be included, but I lump that with the 68 game as far as being part of a standard collection.
    2. I understand that once a player is done playing you would not necessarily include that in a player set. However, Pete Rose played in 1986 and that season’s stats are obviously reflected in the 1987 cards so those should be part of any player set.

    Thanks again,
    Luke
    Looking for 77 cloth 9s and 10s.
    54 Red Hearts
    and now 64 Stand ups
  • IMHO - If PSA grades a CARD , any CARD, then that card should be included in the MASTER set.
  • SAHDofTwins, I agree, but what happens when PSA stops grading that card? ie 84 Topps Nestle.
  • As long as they have been graded in the past, they should be incluced. This should also apply to so called 1 of 1 cards. Otherwise, why call it a master set? Then it should be called a "Currently accepted for grading set." lol
  • when did psa stop grading 84t nestle?
  • Also, WHY did they stop?
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    They stopped grading Nestles about eighteen to twenty-four months ago.

    The reasons are unclear, and it is sort of disputed.

    The 1984 Topps Nestles cards were originally distributed by Nestle only in sheet form. However, at the time they were released (or soon thereafter), a major dealer had a large number of the sheets professionally cut by the same people who cut the sheets for Topps. Thus, they were cut by the manufacturer -- after the fact and paid for through a dealer; it was not Topps or Nestles that paid for and originally had these cut.

    Nonetheless, it was cut by the same people. So, PSA does not grade them anymore, because they were not originally distributed in anything but sheets.

    waitilltheytrytosell explains this much more eloquently than I can -- but hopefully you understand my point.

    As for my opinion on the matter -- since it should be clear to any collector who purchases a Nestle card to know that it was cut from a sheet in an after-the-market transaction (but in a much different manner than the BVG/OPC debacle), investors are knowing what they are getting into and should be allowed to have these cards graded, if they so choose. Otherwise -- PSA should offer to fully compensate any owners of 1984 Topps Nestles cards because they erroneously graded them in the first place. This middle of the road approach satisfies no one.
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • Thanks for the info, and I agree with you on the matter.
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