Opinions on variety sets – Why don’t the variety sets contain all varieties that PCGS recognizes??

NIckelCollector

My understanding of the purpose of the variety sets was to place the varieties in a separate set for those collectors who do not collect varieties, and thereby would not be disadvantaged in the registry standings.

Regardless of the reason, it makes little sense in my opinion for PCGS to recognize certain varieties but not include all of them in the variety set.

For example:

In the Jefferson 1938 – 1964 set, PCGS recognizes the following varieties: 1939 Double Montilcello, 1943P DDO, 1943/2, 1949D/S, 1954S/D and 195D/S.

It excludes: 1939 P, D & S reverse or 1940, 1942 D/D, 1945P DDR, and 1946 D/D – all major varieties recognized by PCGS.

Other varieties listed in “The Cherrypickers Guide” are not even recognized by PCGS. Some are major varieties others perhaps minor.

Does anyone else think all varieties recognized by PCGS should be included in the variety sets???

DMWJR

I think your question is really, "Where should PCGS draw the line on varieties listed?"

I'm sure there are differences of opinion on what should be recognized and what should not be. Personally, I think VAM's are widely collected enough that PCGS should not only recognize at least the TOP 100 on the inserts, but should also have it as a registry set. Likewise, the 8TF set and the 7/8TF set are very popular and widely collected.

I agree with your underlying premise that they do not recognize enough varieties in the "Variety Set," but to me this is just an extension of not recognizing enough varieties on the slab inserts.

wondercoin

Frank: Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought PCGS had the 1946d/d, 1964 SMS and perhaps a few other nickels as optional coins earlier in the year and then when they formed the variety set, they got rid of these important coins entirely? Am I correct on this?

Assuming I am, I am personally very dissapointed at basically "pulling the rug from under the collectors". Now, this gets back to the point of not going down the registry path in the firstplace, but buying coins you enjoy and want to own regardless of the holder. And, I placed one or two 1946d/d nickels with collectors who obviously enjoy the coin for what it is. But, to have it as an optional registry coin one day, and then gone the next makes no sense to me at all?

THE PCGS JEFFERSON NICKEL SET SHOULD CONTAIN ALL THE VARIETIES PCGS RECOGNIZES.

PCGS is so careful to only accept so few varieties in the firstplace, that then excluding half of them in the Registry is bizarre. Yesterday, for example, I asked PCGS to consider recognizing the 1934(p) quarter HEAVY MOTTO. Any serious Wash quarter collector knows that there are no less than (4) highly collectible 1934(p) coins, not (3) as PCGS presently recognizes. Why recognize the regular issue, DDO and Light Motto and not recognize the Heavy Motto? Honestly, what purpose does this serve, besides allowing dealers to pick off collectors and/or auction lots of this neat variety for the price of a regular coin? Why wouldn't PCGS want another neat variety in the pop report?

Sorry for the digression. Back to your subject, PCGS should put the neat variety nickels all back in the variety set ASAP. It is, without question, the right thing to do.

Wondercoin.

CarlWohlforth

I agree. Why bother with a variety set when there are so few varieties in them. At the very least all varieties recognized by PCGS should be in the variety set.

This would be good for PCGS as well as variety collectors. Since there are without variety sets it wouldn't bother those who don't collect varieties. So there is no reason for not including all varities recognized by PCGS in the with variety sets.

Sorry for repeating what has been said, but I was thinking if it gets repeated enough things might just change.

washvarieties

I just do not get it PCGS in there pop report list the 1937,1942d,1943,1943s and the 64SMS all as collectable and yet do not recognize these great coins in the varirty registry (stupit). Collectors have spent there cash on getting these varieties and PCGS pulls the plug !! the RED BOOK list these coins as collectable and recognize these verieties. Many of my Washingtons collectors ask me whats PCGS doing? first there listed than there not . Many collectors feel thay were let down NOT GOOD !!!
Also down the road as new varieties are put in the RED BOOK like the 1934 HEAVY MOTTO and all the type B reverses (1956 to 64) will pcgs not recognize these also ? PCGS coins are the best slabs on the market live up to what you started with the registry

Still looking for the 1943 ddo (11-O-I)

GQ

I too am confused regarding the Jefferson 1939 Dates, both reverse of '38 and reverse of '40. I see PCGS is now labeling them as such but I don't see the slots for them on the "with varieties" set. I have one coin to return to get the correct reverse "of" on the label and two '39's at PCGS getting graded with the proper reverse. Am I wasting my time?

CarlWohlforth

You are not wasting your time. Those are important varieties.

It is just that PCGS needs to get their act together....

DLG

"Varieties of the series include the 1934 Double Die, the 1943-S Double Die, the 1950-S/D, and the 1950-D/S, among others. "

This is straight off the Washington Quarter Registry page. There are only 4 varieties accepted - and these are not the 4!

Thanks

NIckelCollector

GQ:

I agree with Carl you are not wasting your time - but a word of caution. The 1939 reverse of 40's are not included in any of the registry sets.

BTW - I already received my 1939 reverse of 40 back with the new coin numbers.

Frank

DMWJR

I think we are all in agreement that a variety set should include all of the varieties that PCGS recognizes.

Maybe NickelCollector should take this to to PCGS as a consensus recommendation, since he started this thread.

Then we can continue to argue about what PCGS recognizes as a variety in the pops.

Russ

Was just asking this about the 1964 proof set. The Accented Hair Kennedy is certainly a recognized and popular variety, yet there is no varieties set at all for '64. The 1968 set has one for the no S dime. Is it because the no S is far more scarce than the AH?

Russ, NCNE

WashqrtrsRme

I could not agree more! If varieties are to be a separate set for variety collectors, then PCGS should include ALL the varieties for that particular series. Although I am not a variety collector, I do believe that variety collectors have a legitimate beef here. Those variety collectors who pay good money for dates that are recognized varieties by the collecting community should have these coins recognized as a defined variety date in that registry. As an example, those of us who collect Washington Quarters all know that the 1934 Heavy Motto coin is not a typical date in the series, ie: a variety of the 1934 series of coins, just like the 1934 Light Motto is, yet PCGS does not recognize it in the variety registry (or as of yet on the holders). There is a substantial premium paid for a variety coin by those collectors who appreciate variety coins and collect them...their efforts should be recognized for ALL the coins that are a variety of that particular set/series. PCGS started the variety Registry sets, but yet not all the varieties are being recognized by them.

Hey, c'mon PCGS, if you're going to list the different series' of variety sets in the registry, then list ALL the variety coins for that particular series, not just some of the ones SOMEONE at PCGS has deemed as those to be collected and included as a variety. If it's in the Red Book, and what's more, recognized by the collecting community, then it should be in the variety sets!!

WashQrtrsRme

DMWJR

I plenty of Washington varieties, and would consider having them slabbed and in a varieties set, if PCGS recognized them. I have the 34 in Light, Medium, and Heavy Motto, and the 64 in all three reverses. I have 56 through 64 in the "b" reverses, as well as hundreds of different doubled dies and rpm's.

However . . .

First things first. NickelCollector, we are all in agreement that the Registry Variety Set should mirror the varieties that PCGS recognizes. Can you go ahead and take that to PCGS?

Then let's take up the matter of what varieties should be recognized by PCGS.

boston

I agree that all PCGS recognized varieties be included in the varieties set.

From what I've seen, during my short involvement, is that PCGS requires a lot of pushing from collectors to effect changes.

A dealer told me that it took some doing to get them to accept the reverse of '38 because of the wavy steps. Now they just began
distinguishing between the reverse of '38 and '40. I'm not sure which one should be included in the basic set, or both varieties?

I know that I've got a lot to learn. Not sure about PCGS' certitude.

Bob

onlylincolns

The Lincoln Wheat Cents varieties registry sets are also not representative of most recognized varieties. Only four are included in the registry set -- but why not include:

1909 DDO
1917 DDO
1936 DDO
1941 DDO
1943 D/D

These are all recognized varieties by PCGS yet fail to appear on the Lincoln Wheat Cents variety listings.

Go figure.

NIckelCollector

Comments appears to be pretty consistent so far. I will send a email to PCGS over the weekend and will post their response.

Keyrock

If they certify it (the variety) they should have it on the variety registry. Real easy in my opinion. I would think PCGS would jump at the chance, more money for them.