Hey everyone Please give your opinions on this trade dollar!!!

FC57Coins

HELP!

I'm being offered this trade dollar as a second chance bid by a seller with over 1000 positives and no negatives. The price seems reasonable but IT'S TONED! I could use some help here - tell me what you think!

Thanks

Frank

PS - 15 day return privilige

LanLord

That thing is beautiful. I really like that look.

Placid

Looks nice. Hard to tell from the picture but looks like it might have been cleaned or dipped at one time because the surface seems to have some pits.

It looks ms really hard to grade those from a picture. If you got a good price with a return option go for it

What grade is it being sold as?

FC57Coins

Thanks Everyone:

I appreciate your input - given the fact that there is a 15 day return privilige on it I'm thinking of going for it. I'll let you know how it turns out!

Regards,

Frank

coppercoins

I'm not the authority on silver toning, but the pattern makes it look more like an oven job to me than something that took years to procure. The actual toners seem to tone a bit depper in the fields than on the devices, but the toning on this piece appears to have happened completely without regard to the details on the coin....mysterious.

braddick

I believe the skin on this one isn't original. It may have been lightly dipped at one time and then subsequently AT'ed via heat.
The burnt brownish/orange (I know it's light, and not unattractive) is the giveaway for me.
With a 15 day warranty though it might be worth a closer look.

FC57Coins

Interesting point Pat - so the process would be dipping and then exposing to high heat? How would the target toning form? would that be where the heat is concentrated?

Frank

cointagious

it's au. been dipped. and a.t.'d(torched on the reverse)...imho.

dorkkarl

toning induced w/ gas heat. buy it only if you happen to like how it looks.

K S

braddick

<< <i>Interesting point Pat - so the process would be dipping and then exposing to high heat? How would the target toning form? would that be where the heat is concentrated? Frank >>



(Let me preface this all by stating I don't normally like giving an opinion via only a scan, but as far as scans/photos go- this one is clear):
I wouldn't call that "target toning" although it does have some of the atributes.

If you're really going to "do it right" and AT a coin the biggest mistake is to dip it first. It's better if the coin is original.
With that said, I doubt the person who AT'ed it was also the same guy who dipped it. He probably bought it that way and did his best (not too bad-) to cover up the cleaning and give the coin a bit of personality.

dorkkarl

btw, that is not even close to target toning.

the "detail" didn't tone because, being a thicker part of the coin , it heats to a lower temperature (or more slowly to a higher temp) then the rest of the coin.

K S

FC57Coins

Karl:

If gas heat, how does the coin not pick up some sort of markings where it was held to the heat? Wouldn't it make sense that if tongs or something was used to hold the coin in place that it would show? Even if on the rim or the edges of the coin? Also, if the coin was placed on a flat surface, would both sides come out the same or would one side be different? Just trying to get some enlightenment here.

Thanks

Frank

braddick

Frank asks 'Why does the coin not then show evidence of where it was held when heated...'?

I answer: Frank! You can't expect Trade Secrets to be so readily handed out on this forum...

Russ

Ask LittleWicher. He has told us repeatedly how good he is at AT'ing.

Russ, NCNE

FC57Coins

<< <i>Frank asks 'Why does the coin not then show evidence of where it was held when heated...'? >>





<< <i>I answer: Frank! You can't expect Trade Secrets to be so readily handed out on this forum... >>




So Pat, are you saying we're not all respectable and upstanding citizens in this forum???

braddick

Frank- who in the coin business is?
No, seriously- it's one thing knowing. It's another applying and doing.

-Kind of like knowing the stove is hot and then NOT touching it.

FC57Coins

<< <i>it's one thing knowing. It's another applying and doing >>



Wise words Pat - and surely I hope that no one runs out to their gas oven and starts dinking with coins, but by the same token I think it's very valuable to know how these processes work so that we can tell when we're being taken for a ride and when we're looking at a legitimate piece. I've learned an awful lot on this forum and it's made me a better collector (well - that's also an opinion ) but anyway, it's always good to have as much information as possible with respect to these matters.

Frank

TheNumish

It would help if we knew what grade the guy was calling it and how much it costs. I know it's rude to ask but can't really make a decision whether the coin is worth buying w/o that info. I agree with the others that the coin is AT.

Placid

Ncs claims at coins are one of their specialtys. Of course then it will just be a white trade dollar.

This ones not at

Nic

The TD is AT. No matter how many +'s the seller has. K