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MickeyCMickeyC Posts: 153
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Did anyone get an email from the Baseball Card Exchange today? Most of you have seen them sell on Ebay. They just put up their new site.

Scrolling through their unopened lists, for a mere $30K, you can be the proud owner of a 1975 sealed Mini wax case!

Their graded commons, I thought, were reasonable. PSA 9's from 68 for $30? I thought that was affordable.

Mark

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  • dudedude Posts: 1,454 ✭✭
    MickeyC,

    If anyone is considering buying PSA 9 '68s, they should check out my auctions. It may be possible to "steal" some for less than $30. image
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    Mickey> Assuming 20 boxes per case, that's only $1500 per box. Considering boxes generally pull $1750-$1900 on eBay. . .

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • MickeyCMickeyC Posts: 153
    I should have mentioned, that their listing says "sealed" case. I just thought it was something to see.

    Mark
  • zardoz51zardoz51 Posts: 1,168
    If my memory serves me correctly, there were 12 boxes per case. Been a while since I busted one image
    THE FLOGGINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
  • rw2winrw2win Posts: 557 ✭
    Can somebody post a link to their site? Thanks!
  • MickeyCMickeyC Posts: 153


    << <i>Can somebody post a link to their site? Thanks! >>

  • MickeyCMickeyC Posts: 153


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    << <i>Can somebody post a link to their site? Thanks! >>

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    Baseball Card Exchange
  • theBobstheBobs Posts: 1,136 ✭✭
    BBX
    Where have you gone Dave Vargha
    CU turns its lonely eyes to you
    What's the you say, Mrs Robinson
    Vargha bucks have left and gone away?

    hey hey hey
    hey hey hey
  • BigKidAtHeartBigKidAtHeart Posts: 1,799 ✭✭
    What the heck is "NEAT Mint"??

    http://63.239.157.204/itemDetail.cfm?id=1848
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  • rw2winrw2win Posts: 557 ✭
    Thanks!
  • BugOnTheRugBugOnTheRug Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭
    I don't know how to do the links yet, but e-bay's "bassmstr2" also has a case of 75 mini's (advertised 16 boxes) at this time. Bidding is at 16K, with 28K "buy it now".

    Get your wallets and credit cards ready: THE MINI ARE COMING!!!! THE MINI'S ARE COMING!!!

    BOTR
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There are plenty more where those came from. I've seen probably 4 or 5 '75 mini cases auctioned this year. Those are probably the most common vintage packs (pre-1980) around. I certainly won't be spending Vargha bucks on PSA 9/10 '75 minis.
    https://ebay.com/sch/gemint/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    I keep hearing how much more scarce the minis are compared to the regular 75 issue. . .and yet, when unopen packs/boxes come to eBay they're nearly always minis.

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • RedHeart54RedHeart54 Posts: 2,277 ✭✭✭
    I think the "minis are more scarce" myth has vanished over recent years. I'm starting to wonder if there are more minis than regulars.
  • zardoz51zardoz51 Posts: 1,168
    I don't "wonder"

    IMHO, there is more than enough mini material to go around.
    THE FLOGGINGS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL MORALE IMPROVES
  • dudedude Posts: 1,454 ✭✭
    Speaking of older cases, I recently came across this auction:

    1979 Topps Baseball Vending Case sold by Mark Murphy

    The odd thing to me is that this guy is supposed to be the industry expert on sealed material and yet he claims, "WE OPENED THE LID TO CHECK A FEW BOXES TO MAKE SURE THEY ARE LEGIT AND THEY ARE". I'm I the only one who finds that a bit puzzling?



  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Dude:

    He has always done that with his cases. I am not an expert myself -- but how exactly do you tell that a case is sealed? I mean, it's just glue and industrial staples. Nothing too sophisticated going on there. As such, would it be that hard to remove the staple, swap stuff out and put a different staple in its place? Probably not -- by opening it, you should be able to tell at least if that flap was opened before, etc.

    He used to tell stories (and I don't know if they are real stories or urban legends) about vending cases sold as sealed where some of the vending boxes were actually swapped out with bricks. If it's a cash deal at a show, perhaps, but who knows.

    MS
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>I think the "minis are more scarce" myth has vanished over recent years. I'm starting to wonder if there are more minis than regulars. >>



    In terms of raw production quantities, the minis are very likely much scarcer. In terms of unopened, the regular size version is more scarce. The minis were marketed in only a few states but they didn't sell. That's why there's still a lot of unopened material around. Fortunately dealers and wholesalers were smart enough to keep plenty of the unsold material as opposed to throwing it away. That has resulted in a lot of unopened mini packs still surviving. The regular sized version sold as it always did and therefore, not much remained unopened. retailers knew what demand to expect for the regular size version and ordered based on that. The mini's were a test run which was overproduced in relation to the actual market demand which was soft.
    https://ebay.com/sch/gemint/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    Dude> I was surprised at the 79 case, but not so much because a box or two had been opened. At $4750, that's nearly $200 per box. Looking through eBay's completed items, 79 vending boxes have been going for $160 or so. Occasionally they'll peek over $200 but not usually.

    As I understand 79 vending, if one box has predominantly OC cards then the rest of the case almost certainly has predominantly OC cards as well. The only justification I could come up with for the price is that he asked about it before bidding and liked what he heard about what Mark saw in the boxes he looked at. Just a guess.

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • dudedude Posts: 1,454 ✭✭
    mikeschmidt:

    Very interesting. I hadn't heard that. Knowing that, it makes buying a vending case a risk sealed or unsealed. If it's open, you don't know if it's been searched. If it's unopened you don't know if it's tampered with. I guess that opened cases of wax, cellos and rackpacks are safer buys, except even those can be searched to a lesser extent. I'll stick with buying individually graded cards until further notice.
  • dudedude Posts: 1,454 ✭✭
    mcastaldi,

    I'm not familiar with late '70's vending, but I am with late '60's. The patterns are very consistent with vending runs. Typically one player's card is cut exactly the same way for the entire vending run. In many cases, the vast majority of some cards are cut perfectly while others are cut OC and anothers 55/45. I've seen vending runs of '69 commons where 50 or so of the same card are OC (card #8), while card #12 is nearly perfect. The Pop Reports reflect this too. It's truly a shame that Topps didn't have better quality control back then.
  • mikeschmidtmikeschmidt Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭
    Mike:

    I think that generally people (collectors, dealers, etc.) will pay premiums for unopened vending cases vis a vis vending boxes. Vending cases (sealed, unopened, verified, etc.) have an extra "air" or "aura" about them that others don't. Also, in line with what others are saying -- if you break open a 1979 case -- and open one of the vending boxes, if the Ozzie Smith and Eddie Murray cards are both 50/50 all the way around, you might do well at breaking the case. If both are 80/20 each way, you might do well at selling off the boxes.

    So even though it's not searched -- some safe conclusions might be drawn about the star cards in the unopened vending boxes....

    MS
    I am actively buying MIKE SCHMIDT gem mint baseball cards. Also looking for any 19th century cabinets of Philadephia Nationals. Please PM with additional details.
  • chrisrenaudchrisrenaud Posts: 176
    I bought the 79 case from him, as well as a 78 offline, and the reason that I did is that with a few small exceptions the cards that I have bought from Mark are as good as one can expect and since I enjoy opening up boxes and sending in the cards myself to get graded to complete my sets in the 70's, it seems worth it to me to pay a slight premium. It is also frequently cheaper, more efficient and less time consuming than trying to get all of the cards off of EBAY. I will let people know how I did with the cases after I return to the states in a few weeks.

    All the best

    Chris
    Collector of baseball PSA sets from the 1970's & hockey rookie cards; big New York Rangers fan (particularly now that they are sleeping with the enemy with Holik and Kaspiritus). Also starting to collect 53 Bowman Color as I think they are the most beautiful cards I have seen.
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    Chris> Knowing your standards, I have no doubt you'll do very well. When my 75 set wraps up, I'll move to 79s. When I do, I'll have a similar approach - albeit with boxes rather than cases.

    Any reason you went with a vending case over a rack case for 79s?

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
  • chrisrenaudchrisrenaud Posts: 176
    Many people have suggested to me that the corners will be better on cards from a very good quality vending case than from a rack case. LMK what you think on this subject.
    Collector of baseball PSA sets from the 1970's & hockey rookie cards; big New York Rangers fan (particularly now that they are sleeping with the enemy with Holik and Kaspiritus). Also starting to collect 53 Bowman Color as I think they are the most beautiful cards I have seen.
  • unishipuniship Posts: 492 ✭✭
    Please do keep us posted on the quality of that case. It will be interesting to hear how you do with those submissions. Thanks!
  • mcastaldimcastaldi Posts: 1,207 ✭✭✭
    Chris> I certainly cannot profess to be an expert as I will only be getting serious about 79s in the next couple months, but what I've heard is that I'm better off with rack boxes than vending boxes. Obviously I'd expect better results from a pristine vending box than an abused rack box, but in general. . .

    If I can't come to a clear opinion on this, I may well do a mixture of rack and vending boxes and see which direction would be best for me.

    Feel free to e-mail me.

    Mike
    So full of action, my name should be a verb.
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