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What is the best way to invest in coins?


If you were to only buy coins purely as an investment (not because you liked them or for a collection) - only for the best return on your money in 5 years, how would you invest $10,000 today?

And how would you invest $100,000?





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  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    High grade rare /key /semi-key date coins are proven winners I think.Perhaps throw in a few modern rarities /condition-rarites,and you might have a good investment /collection.

    The emphasis would be on high grade stuff.Its always been the most soothafter coins anyway,so that
    really goes without saying.
    Next,if not first,would be rarites.As in the key-dates.

    Some will laugh but,State Quarters are still pretty hot and look to stay that way for about the next 10 years maybe.Heck,People are buying and selling these like hot-cakes and making good money all the way.
    You might could do that too,if you can get halfway aggressive with a marketing campain,and do alot of networking,as I,ve witnessed others do also.

    Heck,I,m about to talk myself into this `million dollar idea`now.image
  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    Spend the 10 grand on high grade MS IHC 66 or 67's.

    Spend the 100k on the MS66 1856 FE and an extra value meal.
  • Cam40Cam40 Posts: 8,146
    hmmm,I,m hungry now....Ya ,I want fries with that,thank you...lol

    I also want to add...I,ve heard too,that if you want to make a small fortune in coins,first...you start with a larger fortune.....image
  • DHeathDHeath Posts: 8,472 ✭✭✭
    Not the biggest return, but a guaranteed return, buy 5 2000-coin bags of Sacs from the mint for $11,000. Worst case, they're worth $10,000 face. Cherrypick 50 coins to submit and slab. Sell them as the market justifies it, and hold the others as rolls. Sell the Gem BU rolls five years from now for $35-40 apiece.
    Assuming you could sell the graded coins for $2000, and sell all of the rolls, your net would be $15,930 ($35 per roll) on the low side, and $17,920 ($40 per roll) on the up side.
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  • IrishMikeIrishMike Posts: 7,737 ✭✭✭
    I hope you are right Don, I have several original Mint wrapped rolls I haven't even looked at.
  • jpjp Posts: 47
    US gold coins.

  • coinguy1coinguy1 Posts: 13,484 ✭✭✭
    Relayer,

    The best way to invest in coins "purely as an investment (not because you liked them or for your collection" as you put it, is not to do it. Why "invest" in them if it is not at least partially for the enjoyment? None of us knows how prices will move and history has shown that coin values can be highly volatile.

    If you do choose to invest, I'd recommend: 1) staying away from fads and coins that are hot right now; 2) don't spend all of you rmoney on one coin or one group of coins - diversify; 3) be as careful about what you pay as you are about what you purchase - if you pay 10% more from one source than you could have bought the same coin for elsewhere, you're starting an extra 10% in the hole: 4) plan on holding the coins at least 3 years; 5) don't spend more than roughly 10% to 15% of your investment funds on rare coins; 6) don't "invest" money that you can't afford to lose; 7) buy something than you know a lot about (or learn about it of you don't already) and that you can appreciate.

    I'd consider MS65 and MS66 (pre 1950) silver commemoratives and scarcer and/or or higher grade MS silver and copper type coins, among others. And, place the emphasis on both quality and eye appeal.

    I realize that my response will not necessarily be popular with you, other forum members or dealers but that is my honest opinion
  • HigashiyamaHigashiyama Posts: 2,192 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To rephrase some of the good advice -- if you stand any chance of making money from investing in coins, it will not be a passive investment -- it will require long hours of work. In any case, focus on quality and diversify.

    Personally, I make money in coins by using the following accounting trick:

    For each $ 100, assume that $ 25 is an entertainment expense -- I would have spent that in some other way, and wouldn't have expected any return other than the entertainment and educational value.

    Then, my investment principal is $ 75, and I'm happy to measure the return against the $ 75 starting point!
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  • There are a bunch of reasons why coins make lousy investments, chief among them being the labor involved (both for dealers and the "investor"). The labor costs make buy/sell spreads terrible compared to more traditional investments. In addition, there are numerous risks of ownership and storage costs.

    So, successful coin investing is much more like "work" than "investing". Which is why I'd recommend that you focus on the hobby first so you enjoy your work. Then apply Higashiyama's trick and a bunch of luck and it might work out ok. image

    That said, if you were to speculate in coins, one approach would be to look for low-labor "generic" items that have the potential for significant appreciation.

    I think the best candidate for that is new-issue coins from the US Mint. Buy $10,000 or $100,000 of a carefully selected new issue, leave them in sealed shipping boxes, and sell them to a wholesaler when demand appreciates.

    That would have worked out very nicely with 1999 Silver Proof sets, for example. Unfortunately, for that one winner there's about 99 losers image, and many of the other winners had volume limits imposed on them which makes it hard to do in bulk.
  • clw54clw54 Posts: 3,815 ✭✭✭
    I like Higashiyama's philosophy. If you get a lot of enjoyment out of collecting coins and take a slight monetary loss when reselling, then you haven't lost at all.
  • As has been stated above, coins bought just as investments rarely do well especially with the type of coins pushed by most investment companies that handle coins. If you really want to invest in coins then go by the old saying "The best investment is a great collection". If you buy quality PROBLEM free coins that are highly desired by other collectors (a great collection) then you will rarely have a problem finding buyers for them and if the market conditions are right (a hot series) you can usually make a decent return on your investment.
  • DaveGDaveG Posts: 3,535
    I'd agree with Mark Feld, and add:

    The main reason coins make lousy "investments" is that you'll probably be buying at retail and selling at wholesale. Depending on what coins you buy, you very well could only get 50% of your purchase price if you sold them the day after you bought them. Therefore, the retail price of the coin would have to DOUBLE before you made one cent in profit!

    So, unless you invest the time to become very well educated about coins and learn to buy them at the lowest possible prices, you're just a sheep waiting to be sheared.

    In addition, coins are like any other antique or piece of art - they go in and out of fashion. So, Morgan dollars could be fashionable today and bring high prices, but no one knows whether they'll still be fashionable or bring higher prices in ten or 20 years. Prices for many coins were much higher in 1989 than they are today!

    So, the short answer is: If you just want to "invest" in coins, lie down until the feeling passes!

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  • ARCOARCO Posts: 4,396 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Original Key Date coins that are popular with collectors. Problem is finding them, not buying them!

    Tyler
  • 09sVDB09sVDB Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭
    Buy key dates in the best condition you can afford. plan on holding on to them for atleast five years.
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    I would buy 100,000 sac's at face value image
  • relayerrelayer Posts: 10,570

    Those are all great answers. I think coinguy1 gave the best investment advice, but DHeath and Supercoin spoke the truth.

    Investing counts on the hope that somebody dumber than you will come along and pay you more than what you bought it for.

    To make money in coins requires both work and skill. So someone who invests is at a serious disadvantage against people with talent who put in the effort.

    If there is $X in profit across the market due to supply and demand, the largest percentage will go to the people who are the best at it.

    More than likely that profit would come from the people who are investing.

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