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hjohn74hjohn74 Posts: 101
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Not too bad, I'm shocked by the ACG Cross.

St. Mountain NGC 65 to PCGS 65
Lexington NGC 65 to PCGS 65
York NGC 66 to PCGS 65
Sesqui ACG 63 to PCGS 63 image

I'm very disappointed in the downgrade of the York. It's a very sharp coin. Does PCGS have a regrade service?image
heath

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  • RLinnRLinn Posts: 596 ✭
    How does the crossing grade compare to the expected grade when you bought the coins. In other words, did you buy the coins thinking they were the final PCGS grade or did you suspect something different?
    Buy the coin...but be sure to pay for it.
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    Does this mean that these coins are now worth more, less, or the same?
  • OuthaulOuthaul Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grading services are notoriously tough on the devices on some commems, i.e. bear on Bay Bridge, eagle on both Bridgeport & Connecticut, and also the shield on the York. Take a good hard look and see.

    The Accucrap crossover is SHOCKINGimage

    Cheers,

    Bob
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    I would think all the coins would now be worth more, except maybe the NGC downgrade, which would still be about the same. (But this is just my general perception of the value the market places on various services' slabs.)
    "The essence of sleight of hand is distraction and misdirection. If smoeone can be convinced that he has, through his own perspicacity, divined your hidden purposes, he will not look further."

    William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    If they are still the same coins, why are they worth more?
  • BNEBNE Posts: 772 ✭
    Good question, AU58! There is a perception that PCGS grades more strictly than NGC and -- especially -- ACG. Whether you think NGC overgrades by a point, or PCGS undergrades by a point, many collectors think that there is about a one point spread (on average) between a PCGS 65 and an NGC 65. This is an AVERAGE. Many coins (like here) cross at the same grade. Some NGC coins get bumped down two (or more) points. But these differences (real or imagined) in strictness affect market value greatly.

    Another reason why the value goes up at the same grade in a PCGS slab, versus another service's slab, is a registry issue: NGC allows PCGS coins in its registry, PCGS does not allow NGC coins in its registry. Therefore an NGC coin has "no value" for PCGS registry purposes, but you can always use a PCGS coin in NGC's registry.

    The "spread" is a controversial issue, so don't be surprised if others weigh in on this question with differing views. Great to have you on the boards!
    "The essence of sleight of hand is distraction and misdirection. If smoeone can be convinced that he has, through his own perspicacity, divined your hidden purposes, he will not look further."

    William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
  • HuliganRSHuliganRS Posts: 345 ✭
    ACG crossed!
    WoW !!!

    ">My PCGS Franklin Registry Set
  • EndocrinologistEndocrinologist Posts: 213 ✭
    Were these crackouts or crossed in the holder?

    Endo
    Take a Look at My Auctions TOO My Auctions
  • fcloudfcloud Posts: 12,133 ✭✭✭✭
    Good job!

    3 out of 4!

    President, Racine Numismatic Society 2013-2014; Variety Resource Dimes; See 6/8/12 CDN for my article on Winged Liberty Dimes; Ebay

  • littlewicherlittlewicher Posts: 1,822 ✭✭
    Don't forget, when ACG first opened they did accurately grade. If you can find the slabbed coins from when they first opened up, you can get amazing coins at amazing discounts! The coin might have been one of those coins.


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  • krankykranky Posts: 8,709 ✭✭✭


    << <i>If they are still the same coins, why are they worth more? >>



    I understand your point, au58. It reminds me of a saying I read years ago about computers:

    If you put garbage into a computer, nothing comes out but garbage. But this garbage, having passed through a very expensive machine, is somehow ennobled, and no one dares to criticize it.

    Not saying these coins are garbage, nor that the slabbing outfits are, but the idea is similar.

    New collectors, please educate yourself before spending money on coins; there are people who believe that using numismatic knowledge to rip the naïve is what this hobby is all about.

  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Littlewicher-
    I bet Heath would like to think his success, even with the ACG coin, is attributable to his keen ability to accurately assess a coin's quality and grade. It also is attributable to his openmindedness. Something about which you, and many others on this Board, have NO understanding!

    He is smart enough to overlook a coin's holder and assess the coin's strength based upon that coin's merits. The close minded individual would have gone right past that coin for no other reason than it was in an ACG holder.

    Here's to Heath! You did some great cross-over work there! I'm interested, as are others, whether you sent the coins in their respective holders for a cross-over grade or did you crack the coins out of their holders and then send them to PCGS? Congratulations!!!
  • au58au58 Posts: 1,288 ✭✭✭
    If a coin was in an NGC 65 holder but came back as PCGS 64, would it be worth less to the buyer, even if he decided at the point of sale that the price was fair? If so, why? Is it now worth less to the collector community?
    If a member of this board was offered a coin in a PCGS 65 holder, and was told that it came from a NGC 65 holder, how would the value be determined?
    Is a coin that is eligible for registry worth more just to the owner or does everyone think it's worth more?
  • hjohn74hjohn74 Posts: 101
    Yes, I cracked the coins from their slabs. The ACG coin is interesting, because when I bought it, I was thinking high 63 or low 64. The only real wear on the coin is on Washington's cheek (normal for this issue). Also, even thought it doesn't effect the overall grade of the coin, the coin had a smooth, light gold toning. It's a nice coin.

    I bought the coins not the slabs; however, I prefer the PCGS slab. The white background IMO detracts from the coin. Call me crazy, but it's what I like.

    I will take both to the Baltimore show next month to get a verbal reason from some of the experts.
    heath
  • DCAMFranklinDCAMFranklin Posts: 2,862 ✭✭
    Heath-
    You did some great work there! A nice lesson here for the newbies. Learn to grade a particular series, perhaps 2, and you can acquire some really nice coins for cheap money.

    Heath, I wish you good luck in getting that York in a PCGS 66 holder. If you are convinced of the coin's grade, give it another run.

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