POLL: How many titles would Lakers had won the past 3 years if Shaq played on another team?

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 10:39AM

0?

1?

2?

3?

BigShane · September 28, 2002 10:40AM

0 for sure.

funnyguy0015 · September 28, 2002 10:44AM

0

JC214 · September 28, 2002 10:52AM

0

KOBEcollector · September 28, 2002 11:09AM

if if if .. why even bother.. if bill russell didn't play with the celtics, if kareem didn't play with the lakers, if babe ruth never was traded to the yankees

cardnyou · September 28, 2002 11:11AM

if i even liked tha lakers.......

vittleboy · September 28, 2002 11:12AM

0, Phil Jackson whould have never been a laker if shaq wasnt there. But it doesnt matter shaq is there and they will win again this year. I dont care who you say will beat them. Intill shaq retires the lakers will keep winning.

nikobe · September 28, 2002 11:42AM

haha this guy is just mad kobe outplayed his tmac both games last year.

Like shaq said........I DON'T BELIEVE IN "IF"

Shaq holds a 120 million dollar contract idiot. Do you know what that would buy to go around kobe you moron? 120 million could get duncan, garnett, iverson, carter, and anybody in the league to still form the duo of kobe AND WHOEVER.

Shaq won what without kobe? NOTHING Shaq averaged the same amount of points and rebounds and the same fieldgoal % in a magic uniform, but failed to win anything. Then came along the 18 year old kid and phil jackson. Go find something else to hate on, because tracy is just going to follow the footsteps of the last man to wear the #1 on the orlando magic. Can you tell me who that is joe? BWHAHAHAHAHA

Firebat · September 28, 2002 12:20PM

idiot? moron? big words from such a little boy...

BigGameGil · September 28, 2002 12:26PM

how many (recent) championships have the lakers won with out devean george????? LOL

cpandeaz3 · September 28, 2002 12:28PM

0

KOBEcollector · September 28, 2002 12:30PM

thats why they re-signed him, they realized he's the reason why they keep winning

nikobe · September 28, 2002 12:36PM

I'm convinced it's really very simple: idiot and the word moron just sound cool. Also, despite my reputation ........ahh forget it.

UofAWildcatFan · September 28, 2002 12:40PM

0

nikobe · September 28, 2002 12:40PM

How many titles in 90's and on before phil came to the lakers? NONE

Let's just give all the credit to shaq, because you people act like he's the only reason why the lakes have three rings. I suggest you watch the games sometimes.

rooks · September 28, 2002 12:45PM

how many title do the bulls have w/o jordan-0
how many do the 80s lakers have w/o magic-0
how many do the 80s celtics have w/o bird-0
how about the rockets w/o olojuwon-o
Every team needs 2 dominant players to win a championship

BigGameGil · September 28, 2002 12:46PM

Devean George is the man. once fox is out of the picture he is gunna be their 3rd go to guy.

Shaq. Attaq. To The Raq.

That's My .02

KOBEcollector · September 28, 2002 12:47PM

i agree rooks, thats why this post makes no sense

YanksFan · September 28, 2002 12:48PM

IF questions don't matter. They're for people who've got nothing else better to do. Hell, I'm a HUGE Nets fan but it's easy for me to say the Lakers were, are, and will be the team to beat. Kobe and Shaq are 2 of the Top 5 players in the league today. I got nothing against any player in the league, except Kemp that is. You can talk all you want about stats, but like Magic used to say, all that matters is the W. The Lakers have gotten alot of them lately.

rmsportscards · September 28, 2002 12:55PM

without shaq 0, with shaq but without kobe 0. if the lakers didnt have shaq they would probaly have someone else. they wouldnt be as good because shaq is the best at his position. if they didnt have kobe they would have someone else but you cant find someone that is better than kobe right now at his position. its all stupid, they will win again this year. when shaq retires they will get the next best thing to replace him. the lakers will always be good

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 2:07PM

my point was in this thread was because some people were acting like if Kobe Bryant was on the Magic and Tracy McGrady on the Lakers, that it would actually make Magic a team to fear, or make Lakers not quite as good....When in truth, it don't matter, I was saying all along that Kobe's rings arent totally thanks to him, and if T-Mac had a contibutor like Shaq, they'd have some jewelry too!!

tmac21 · September 28, 2002 2:10PM

0............ they suck without that big fatass lump in the middle of the paint!!!!!!!!

--Lars

funnyguy0015 · September 28, 2002 2:18PM

I think that the Lakers would have at least ONE ring if you switched Kobe with T-Mac, because when LA won their first ring in 99-00, TMac was a role player for the Raptors... he only started 45 games that year, averaging only 15.4 ppg...

You have to wonder if the Lakers would have won 3 titles without the confidence that winning the first title brought them...

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 2:23PM

THUS, T-Mac led Raptors in scoring in the Playoffs that season

Even more than Vince! Well, Vince kinda struggled but T-Mac still had more points in the end!

funnyguy0015 · September 28, 2002 2:28PM

true, in a series where the defense was keyed to stop Toronto's "best" player at the time, Tracy was able to take advantage..

NY in that series was focused on shutting down Carter.... NY ended up sweeping Toronto in that series... I thought the Raptors would have been able to win at least one game, but the next year Toronto beat NY without TMac..

it could be argued that Vince is a better playoff performer than TMac when u look at Vince's series against NY in 00-01 and Philly in 00-01.,.

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 2:31PM

New York did gradually go down hill, getting worse each year, also, t-mac highly improved obviously...so its hard to compare as of now, both great players, although vince will have to build himself back up coming off the injury

funnyguy0015 · September 28, 2002 2:34PM

I don't think Carter's a better player than TMac... also in that 00-01 Toronto vs NY series, Camby missed 2 games of the series (that NY lost) because of the taking hostage of his family..

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 2:37PM

good point about camby funnyguy, thats true...We should all just face it, tmac, kobe, shaq, carter, iverson, etc........all amazing players in there own right

funnyguy0015 · September 28, 2002 2:38PM

Kidd

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 2:39PM

yep...kidd, garnett, webber, and we could keep going

nikobe · September 28, 2002 2:57PM

we'll one things for sure. T-mac is not the greatest and never will be. Please take that off your sig. You're disrespecting the king michael "air" jordan.

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 3:03PM

nope, its too hard to compare generations and jordan was in the wave just before mcgrady/kobe/carter......as you cant compare shaq with bill russell, chamberlain, jabbar, etc....because of the different era's......so nikobe, why dont you mind your business you a$$hole...you just try to argue with people, i dont know whats wrong with you, take all those kobe pics off your sig....why dont you get a pic of tmac blocking the he!! out of kobe in the 2001 All-Star game, remember that? I do! I also remember the West was huge favorites and lost as well....and if you find the pic of tmac blocking kobe in the all-star game PLEASE let me know!

JoeBenson · September 28, 2002 3:23PM

For those who didn't know, Kobe and T-Mac are friends in the offseason:

"His favorite movie is Star Wars, he likes Karate movies and introduced Tracy McGrady to karate movies, Now McGrady is a karate-movie junkie!!"

They do stuff like this together, and McGrady lived with Kobe for a short stint, (in T-Mac's early years), and Kobe told people McGrady would pass him up, and others.....Whether he has or not can be debated, but neither is much better than the other!

lilsun1 · September 28, 2002 4:05PM

<< <i>For those who didn't know, Kobe and T-Mac are friends in the offseason:

"His favorite movie is Star Wars, he likes Karate movies and introduced Tracy McGrady to karate movies, Now McGrady is a karate-movie junkie!!"

They do stuff like this together, and McGrady lived with Kobe for a short stint, (in T-Mac's early years), and Kobe told people McGrady would pass him up, and others.....Whether he has or not can be debated, but neither is much better than the other! >>

T-Mac talking about his relationship with Kobe: " I mean, it's not the type of relationship where we be calling and talking to eachother on the phone. We used to be real cool, but you know, he's doing his own thing, he's married now... But yeah, when I see him, it's all love. But yeah we used to be real cool. I used to stay at his house kick it with him, watch some karate flicks, playin' video games."

That's ALOT of used to's if you ask me... McGrady goes onto say about Kobe playing with Shaq:

"He was blessed with Shaq... yea. I just hate to watch him play because I know he's gonna win. You just hate it cause you KNOW he's gonna win. That's the frstrating thing about it. You know he gonna win. Go ahead and give him the F__king ring. $hit. But it's cool, you know what I'm saying? He's out there doing his thing. He's not a player. He's a luck man. He is a lucky man to be able to play with Shaq."

BASICALLY calling Kobe a little above average, but wouldn't win with out Shaq. AND finally he says in regards to being the best right now:

"I put myself at the top of the best all-around players. I can't sit up here and tell you that somebody's better than me. I just can't do it. I mean you've got a lot of other great players... the only one I put that's like neck and neck with me is Kobe, cause we the only two guys that averaged over 25, 5 rebounds, 5 assists. So that just shows you right there, who's the best. That's the best all-around game right there. So Kobe's up there with me."

All quotes are from the newest Slam Magazine...

Jeff

nikobe · September 28, 2002 4:27PM

See this is why tmac won't gain respect from older fans. Kobe would never go out and call himself the greatest or i'm the best all around player in the league. Remain humble and work hard and things will all work out. T-mac also guarenteed a victory over the hornets last year.........he needs to shut his freaking mouth.

p.s everyone has been blocked before idiot. You act like blocking a shot in an allstar game deserves a freaking gold medal. You act like michael jordan has never been blocked in his life. Shaq has been blocked by mike bibby for crying outloud.....so is bibby all of a sudden better than shaq? t-wack fans act just like there hero.

nikobe · September 28, 2002 4:32PM

I seriously hope kobe reads what t-wack said about him not being a player. How the heck can he say kobe is not a player? That's pure hatred!! Expect a beatdown next meeting. You will never catch kobe making comments like that. If t-mac was the greatest then he wouldn't need any freaking teammates right? This guy acts like like he won something. WHO THE HECK IS TRACY MCGRADY? WHAT THE HECK HAS HE DONE?
He needs to stop running his motha#@$@$ mouth and just play.

BigShane · September 28, 2002 4:50PM

Kobe has a good supporting role, err... Shaq has a good supporting role, which includes Kobe.

T-Mac has..... nothing. This year he will with Hill healthy, etc. We will see what happens.

akafocus · September 28, 2002 5:01PM

can you say duck egg?

rooks · September 28, 2002 5:07PM

thats pretty weak if tmac actually said that about kobe. It just goes to show what jealousy can do to a person.

autobilia · September 28, 2002 5:29PM

Not really 2 dominant players. Teams need 1 consistant dominant player, 1 consistant sidekick, 1 good outside shooter, and the rest role players.

Bulls - Jordan (dominant), Pippin (sidekick), Steve Kerr (outside shooter), Craig Hodges, BJ Armstrong, Toni Kukoc (supporting cast) and then the rest of the role players.

Lakers - Shaq (dominant), Kobe (sidekick), Derek Fisher (outside shooter), Robert Horry, Devean George, and Rick Fox (supporting cast) and the rest of the role players.

Think of the Kings - CWebb (dominant), but Mike Bibby has the be the sidekick & outside shooter. Predrag and Turk has been hit and miss. Whenever one of those 2 players become consistant, then Kings will have a great shot at being a championship team. Predrag was ice cold in the playoffs (due to off time from injury). Doug Christie is on the right team; Kings. He is the King of Airballs. Bobby Jackson was the King of Missed Shots.

KOBEcollector · September 28, 2002 8:11PM

man, thats tough when your quite possibly the 2nd best player and probally the best all-around in the game and your labeled a side-kick

.i see your point though, i think

POLL: How many titles would Lakers had won the past 3 years if Shaq played on another team?

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