What if you want to argue a grade with PCGS?

dan1ecu

I have an early large cent that is F12 on the obverse and VF20 (or very close to it) on the reverse. This is according to the ANA guidelines. The coin is currently in an ANACS holder and is graded F15. I guess ANACS averaged the obverse and reverse grades. Anyway, it did not cross into a PCGS holder (maybe they looked at it too quickly). If I resubmit the coin with my own assessment of the grade in writing, will the graders read it? Has anyone else ever appealed a grade successfully? For that matter, is there even a good reason to cross from ANACS to PCGS? I think that ANACS has dealt with more early coppers because of their willingness to net grade. Maybe they’re more accurate than PCGS when it comes to early large cents?

Dan

LucyBop

<< <i>(maybe they looked at it too quickly). >>


5 seconds tops!

JJacks

They probably spent more then 5 seconds on a coin like that actually. You can send it in stating "Cross at any grade" and then you will get it back reholdered in their grade (or if they would bodybag it, I think they don't remove it from the old holder - I'm not sure). I don't think they would read your assesment of a grade.

JJacks

truthteller

When you send in the grade for crossover, make sure you paperclip 3 crisp $100 bills and mark them, for grader #1, #2, #3, then, only then, you MAY have a chance for crossover.

TRUTH

LucyBop

I was gonna send some coins in with some of my famous brownies but...The graders would never get the goodies.....

dan1ecu

That’s what I mean, Lucy. They probably just saw the obverse and concluded that the coin was only a F12 (but I’m really not sure).

Truth - ACG gives out really high grades for no extra cost. Maybe I’ll have to go with them...

Dan

Pushkin

What if you send the coin to NGC and it cames back a higher grade, you could send it back to PCGS and say "Hey Look, you were wrong!"

My guess is they would then happily upgrade it for you, send you a letter of apology, and refund your fees.

dan1ecu

"My guess is they would then happily upgrade it for you, send you a letter of apology, and refund your fees."

If this happened, the person responsible would be fired for damaging PCGS's reputation. I wouldn't count on it.

Dan

4thStooge

If you really like to have your feelings hurt have it graded buy the EAC club members. Generally, the reverse cannot raise the grade and I wouldn't bother resubmitting. A knowledgable collector will grade the coin for what it is. The opinion of PCGS shouldn't make or break your day.

braddick

An arguement supposes a two way dialog. I doubt PCGS will respond to your note other than to send the coin back unholdered, or to cross it. It's probably a FN12 to them and your ANACS FN15 holder is holding it back.

dan1ecu

4thStooge -- "Generally, the reverse cannot raise the grade..."

I would think that they'd have to take the whole coin into account when grading. Are you saying that they pretty much base the grade on the obverse?

I actually bought the coin from an EAC member who specializes in early coppers. I trust his opinion. You're right that the slab doesn't matter as much as a knowledgeable collector’s assessment.

Dan

4thStooge

DAn,
As a generalization of coin grading, the obverse is graded and then the reverse. While the condition of the reverse may certainly lower the grade, it is an exception for it to raise the grade.

airplanenut

<< <i>What if you send the coin to NGC and it cames back a higher grade, you could send it back to PCGS and say "Hey Look, you were wrong!" My guess is they would then happily upgrade it for you, send you a letter of apology, and refund your fees. >>



My guess is that they would then say, "Hey Look!!! NGC is wrong, too! Just goes to show that we REALLY ARE the number one grading service... toldya so!!!!"

airplanenut

And then they go: