Why would ANYONE submit this???

airplanenut

wasted $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

littlewicher

Some people make boo-boos.

pontiacinf

been there, done that...haze probably happened on way there.

i have a few in 99 and 2000 proof ;|

FC57Coins

Probably submitted an entire proofset and this was one of the rejects.

Frank

Pushkin

It might have been given away as part of a promotion - bulk submissions by dealers that use them as "free gifts" for other purchases. Just an uneducated guess concerning its origin.

itsnotjustme

I've had a mistake or two that bad.... but I do try to keep them to a minimum.

jakemrjr

check out his other items, there are a lot of pr67cams for the new proofs... that must suck

leothelyon

It'samazing what people submit to ebay. Imagine paying $3 to $8 for (10 cents) on a pair of cut-out nickels from a modern mint set. LOL

Leo

Higashiyama

These submission "errors" are great buys for someone looking for inexpensive modern slabbed type coins. My own type collection has a few coins that are orphans from other collections!

1jester

"Just back from PCGS, 2002-S Lincoln Cent PCGS PR67CAM, Coin is a little hazy but..."

Is this always what happens when coins come back from PCGS??? Hence the low price?!

Russ

<< <i>Coin is a little hazy but overall nice CAMEO proof coin >>



Translation: The fields turned to crap while it was in for grading.

If you guys watch the auctions for modern proofs, you'll see plenty at 67CAM. I can pretty much guarantee that they were nice when they were first pulled from the sets and hazed over while in for grading. Sadly, this is something I have too much experience with.

On the upside, thanks to Supercoin's sage advice combined with some experimentation, I've eliminated the problem on my submissions.

Russ, NCNE

DHeath

With 900+ transactions, this guy's no newbie. I'd bet, like so many non-modern collectors, he assumed submitting PR69 Dcams was as easy as sending in the coins. Learning to see the difference in dcam proofs is about as difficult to learn as learning to see the difference in AU58 and MS??. It takes a little looking, and knowing what to look for. IMO

Russ

Nah, Don, it's haze.

Russ, NCNE

DHeath

Russ,

You're right, but I think I see why. Look at the pics in the link.

State Quarters still in mint packaging....same seller.

ursabear

airplanenut - sometimes they come back that way. It takes a lot to learn about proofs and getting them to PCGS without hazing or damage is hard to do at first.

I have quite a few 64DCAMs through 67DCAMs to my credit that came from my learning experiences -both from the point of grading and the point of choosing the right pieces to submit.

I generally give my low cams and dcams to young collectors to get them interested. I have, fortunately, gotten much better at it of late.

ursabear

Russ - wasn't your solution for haze-fighting to use crunchy SaFlip flips and no bags?

Inquiring bears want to know.

mbbiker

ursabear, I'm a young collector do you want to teach me so i don't make mistakes

Russ

<< <i>Russ - wasn't your solution for haze-fighting to use crunchy SaFlip flips and no bags? >>



Ursabear,

Correct. That, and I no longer submit proof coins right after pulling them from the packaging. I leave them out exposed to the air for a couple weeks to make sure no mint-induced goober emerges.

Russ, NCNE

DHeath

Goober?

Coppernicus

dheath and Russ have almost hit the nail on the head. They both are converging on the correct explanation, but let me make it clearer. How's this for an explanation: Maybe the seller doesn't know how to grade? Or, similarily, he/she tends to overgrade and then is disappointed when PCGS doesn't agree?

I remember when every Lincoln I submitted to PCGS was an MS 67 (minimum) or a good shot at a 68. PCGS said MS65 or MS66!! Upset, yes I was but I learned. My grading is much less optimistic these days and much more accurate. I save on submission fees (because I don't submit the "marginals" and I reduce the tension in my life at the same time.)

We all have been in that fantasy land where our "pride and joy" coin is mush better in our eyes than it deserves to be.

lordmarcovan

This belongs on my much-ignored "Why'd they slab 'em?" thread.

I've seen worse examples of baffling slabs.

Russ

<< <i>How's this for an explanation: Maybe the seller doesn't know how to grade? >>



Coppernicus,

Nope, it's haze that killed the grade. It's a modern proof. Completely different animal than business strike coinage. These coins RARELY come from the mint less than DCAM and easily grade high. Haze kills them.

Russ, NCNE

Russ

Here's another one from the same seller. The fields are completely covered in haze. Without it, the coin likely would have graded 69DCAM.

Russ, NCNE