I decided to start a thread about old toned vs. modern toned...

mnmcoin

I just don't understand why coins like this are in holders...

Link

By the way I think the coin is pretty. On to the topic this brings to mind...why is that coins with that type of toning (blue, pinkish purple and some golden yellow) on older type coinage...ie bust or seated stuff, can be considered real and not at, but if a Franklin or Washington or even a Morgan with that same exact toning comes back bb for artificial color.

Take for example this Franklin I recently bought and sent in to PCGS, it came back for artificial color. This is quite simply one of the most gorgeous Franklins I have ever seen.

1959 Toned Franklin

I paid alot of money, I know the coin is a coin, and don't get me wrong, if I could get this into a holder, I know I would easlily double or triple my money, but stuff like this frustrates the heck out of me. If anything my Franklin looks considerable more real to me, than the Bust coin in the auction...the toning on the obverse is only on the center of the coin...I mean how does that happen.

morris <><

Tonekiller

Get the histoy of the coin and what it was in to get that toning. Send in the proof next time with the coin. If its BB'ed a second time, ask why then prove each point wrong. Its a bunch of work but thats a nice coin.

TBT

baccaruda

you just need to make a bigger name for yourself at PCGS i think - that's the difference between AT and natural toning.

Petescorner

I just don't understand why coins like this are in holders...

if I could get this into a holder, I know I would easlily double or triple my money

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant, but it seems to me like you answered your own question.

KlectorKid

lets see 1 u dont see very many coins with that color. number 2 i would dought that another coin with the same toning would be bb'ed i also think that no1 in there right mind would at a ms-67 bust quarter. oh and ur franklins look like they toned in scratches and thats not a very natural thing to me.

<< <i>If anything my Franklin looks considerable more real to me, than the Bust coin >>

not to me.

cacheman

Anaconda's prices are assinine!

Bear

Maybe if the entire Forum pooled our resources we could buy time shares in the coin.
Then we could visit our coin one hour every year.

braddick

I try not to judge a coin by its scan. I sure would want to see that Franklin before declaring the color authentic though.

-I think PCGS along with NGC recognize that some colors (patterns) don't belong on some coins. When they see a coin that goes "against the grain" it is questionable.

wingedliberty

This coin has artificial toning and is not appealing to me.

Brian.

TomB

Anaconda's coin looks like it has legitimate toning all day long, however, I'm sorry to say that your Franklin looks like a hideous job of AT from the image you posted and, if it looks in person like it looks on my monitor, it will not make it into a highly regarded third party slab.

michael

for me tomb is exactly correct!!

i am sorry you paid big for the coin

i have found that in coins i have made many many many huge mistakes over many years and are still making them! i mean if the old saying is true that we learn from our mistakes i must be extremely smart a genius.........lol

sincerely michael

braddick

<< <i>Anaconda's coin looks like it has legitimate toning all day long, however, I'm sorry to say that your Franklin looks like a hideous job of AT from the image you posted and, if it looks in person like it looks on my monitor, it will not make it into a highly regarded third party slab. >>



Ok, so TomB just calls it the way he sees it and I've got to go and sugarcoat it.

He's right though...

(Lesson learned?)

jom

Franklins and early type coins were stored thru the years differently. That is why some coins tone one way and others differently. Most, if not all, Franklins toned in the Mint Sets they came in. Early type coins toned other ways (which I'm not entirely sure of). How were those coins stored anyway???

All I know is many 18th Century coins come with that type of toning: Bust, Seated etc...

jom

stman

This is not to knock your coin, After a lot of years collecting I have just recently started appreciating original toned coins. Why I am for sure no expert on this. I feel I have a pretty good eye for it.

I might not know for sure on your coin, but if I was at a show or coin shop and looked at this piece I would stay away from it. It just doesn't look right. And I think that's what it is all about just a certain feeling. Just my thoughts.

stman