Civility is not being servile
Bear
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Thru the hard efforts of many good people, this Forum has been focused to serve the needs of the
Forum members. Honest Sarcasm, humour, factual disagreements , arguments and opinion , are all a part of
healthy and civil communication.
What is inexcusable, is the use of the various Forums for personal
vendettas that disrupt and serve neither the search for knowlege, friendship or understanding .
If a person can not, or will not learn the rules of the game, perhaps a parting of the ways would be beneficial.
While we will always try to look out for the welfare and feelings of newbies, there must come a time when the welfare of the group at large, must take a higher priority over a disruptive indevidual unwilling to learn or behave.
Forum members. Honest Sarcasm, humour, factual disagreements , arguments and opinion , are all a part of
healthy and civil communication.
What is inexcusable, is the use of the various Forums for personal
vendettas that disrupt and serve neither the search for knowlege, friendship or understanding .
If a person can not, or will not learn the rules of the game, perhaps a parting of the ways would be beneficial.
While we will always try to look out for the welfare and feelings of newbies, there must come a time when the welfare of the group at large, must take a higher priority over a disruptive indevidual unwilling to learn or behave.
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I'll send you a hunny pot for a job well done, bear.
B.
A Tax is a fine for doing good.
There is a scene in the movie Monty Python and the Holy Grail where the Black Knight has been defeated in combat, his every limb has been hacked off, and he's still rolling around trying to bite someone. I have mentioned this in a post before, but sometimes I see that scenario played over and over around here.
Russ, NCNE
Being courteous does not mean weakness. It offers, and asks for, respect.
One can always count on bear to put things in perspective around here, and make right what once was wrong.
I don't think I can come up with a pot of honey; what about honey grahams or honey smacks?
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Civility to me shows strength; strength of character and knowledge. It is a lot easier to roar, bark, bite and scratch than to listen, reason, and reflect. It is unfortunate that too many in society equate strength with rudeness, unnecessary violence, and "shooting from the hip".
Another "purrrrrrr" for our Bear.
We'll use our hands and hearts and if we must we'll use our heads.
Smokey would be proud
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What did the doe say when she came out of the woods?.....Last time I do THAT for a buck!
Tom
In communist China, the welfare of the group comes before the individual, luckily, I'm not living there. If its4real wants to stick around, good for him, no one appointed any of you group leader. Whether or not you like him (or me) personally is irrelevant to the discussion of coins.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
We're all on the same team here. It's all about COINS and the love for this hobby.
Outside of that? We may (or may not) have much in common.
But you know what? That's ok too.
peacockcoins
Honest discussion here about coins seems too often obscured by incivility.
Those that have not learned courtesy and respect should take their coins and go home.
As for Bear, if you disagree with him, why not just a "Hey Bear, maybe your post is more suitable for the general forum?" But that is just one opinion - I liked his post, you didn't.
As for communist China, its seems to me that the good of the individual and of the group is subjugated to what is advantageous to a small cadre of individuals holding power at the expense of everyone else. Even communism can be unjustly maligned (as opposed to justly maligned) - better to call it the Oligarchy of China? This is definitely not appropriate for this forum, but you openend the door, as the trial lawyers say. So, beware of false analogies.
As for 4Real's posts - he is certainly is entitled to express his thoughts - and to receive both positive and negative feedback on those thoughts. Something about "if we make our beds, we should be prepared to sleep in them" or words to that effect?
As far as its4real I find his posts very amusing and it makes me laugh. I wouldn't take him too seriously. I hope he sticks around. He'll come around and before you know it he'll be pointing out stuff that someone else is doing that he does now. I do think he is like Monty Python's Black Knight.
Remember what Spock said in the Star Trek movies: The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one. Something like that. I think he got that from a Chinese National.
said was ," The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few, or the one". Bear
As for honesty, I have never believed that brutality in any form ,verbal or otherwise was a particular vertue.
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He never learned to reduce life to the simple "Beam me up, Scotty".
Russ, NCNE
<< <i>"Beam me up, Scotty". >>
Actually, there is no episode where Captain Kirk said that. Scotty was the Chief Engineer, not a lowly transporter operator.
Russ, NCNE
Spock might not have been top dog-or bear- but I'd follow him into battle before Kirk. At least with Spock you'd live to fight another day. Kirk would get you blasted. Spock would also be a good coin grader. I'd say he would grade accurately 98%, overgrade 1 % and undergrade 1%. Kirk would probably grade 45% accurately, undergrade 15% and overgrade 40%. Scotty would be too busy fixing all the coins to grade.
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William S. Burroughs, Cities of the Red Night
Russ, NCNE
I agree with Numish and Bear about Spock being the better coin grader. But his company would never make a profit and probably go bankrupt in today's environment. Spock was the coin grader of the 50s and 60s. Kirk is the coin entrepreneur of the 90s and 2000s.
Spock would still be trying to file accurate SEC reports while Kirk would be cleaning up on options, launching multiple IPOs, and building $20M dollar (Federation Credit) mansions on six different pleasure planets. Spock would't last 5 minutes on universal television - his news bites would be used to cure insomnia (something Kirk would sell). Kirk would be selling Internet grocery and travel services and building a personal fortune!
But where do Urhuru, Checkov, Sulu and McCoy fit in that scenario?
<< <i>Actually, there is no episode where Captain Kirk said that. Scotty was the Chief Engineer, not a lowly transporter operator. >>
There may or may not be an episode where Kirk says that, but I'll bet you a morgan or 2 that there are episodes where Scotty operates the transporter.
Of course, for the closeups of his hands sliding the slider controls, they had to bring in a double, because James D (Scotty) was/is missing a finger.
am
Moursand--good piece of trivia!!!
There are indeed episodes where Scotty operated the transporter, but only in extraordinary situations such as impending disaster or when the regular operator happened to be in that episodes "death" rotation - you could always tell who it was, they'd be the new guy.
Russ, NCNE
Well, as I said, Kirk may not have spoken those famous words during any of the episodes you've seen, but maybe it ended up on the cutting room floor. Who says he had to be calm to say "Beam me up, Scotty!" Maybe Scotty was pulling one of his sand-bagging tricks where he says it will take 2 hours to fix the transporter, when he really already has it fixed, and meanwhile Kirk is hanging by his fingernails from a cliff edge, about to fall into a vat of Jewel Luster, and he is SHOUTING into his communicator, "Beam me up, Scotty!", but Scotty isn't paying attention, because he is tippling some Saurian Brandy.
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"Beam me up, you nine fingered freak!"
I for one would say the coin is still original if there are no noticeable effects of the transport.
I was at a Star Trek Convention once and listened to an hour long debate about whether you would become infertile if you used the transporter too much. Trekkers are almost as crazy as we are!!!!
Great Post. I always like your input on threads that get nasty. I would guess you have raised a few cubs.
By the way, can you still grade coins if you have a stuffy nose or get stung by a bee? ( just kidding)
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<< <i>Actually, there is no episode where Captain Kirk said that. Scotty was the Chief Engineer, not a lowly transporter operator. >>
You are correct Russ. I never said that.
J.T.Kirk
Russ, NCNE
how we reached this nexus, but here we are and apparently here we stay for a while . Bear
I really dont know how we went from a serious thread to science fiction, but these things happen to the best
intentioned threads.
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irritate some members of the Forum by posting an ad that he knew would generate adverse comments. It just seem
childish and a little selfish to raise a lot of blood pressures just for kicks. There seems an element of cruelty
and not good natured humour in this act and it saddens me very much. I hope in the end, maturity and reason will
rule . All hope is not yet lost , perhaps it has only been misplaced for a while. Bear
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Anyway back to the original topic. A few times some of the posts have angered me, not becuase of any personal attacks, I could care less about them, they say more about the poster than anything else, but what angers me is posting something just because you think its correct with no basis or just a knee jerk reaction type of post. I learned a long time ago, if you are angry walk away come back and then say it with less passion or emotion. 31 years of my life have been spent listening to peoples stories wanting to finance a new company or switch accounts from another bank. It doesn't take long to figure out when someone is trying to blow smoke up your chimney. If that puts me in the "8" so be it. I refrained from commenting on the coins that were posted for grading that started these discussions, but I quickly came to the defense of the people this character was attacking. All of his behavior was just like I have seen many times before, smoke is smoke.
After just reading a few of this guys post, I had him figured out. I was not surprised by any of his antics on here. He reacted just the way I had him pegged. I knew that the people who came to his defense or offered him a second chance would be sorry they did and it's shown out. Whether he stays or not he has lost his credibility. For those of you who still defend him all I can say is you are only doing it because you dislike the people who are tired of him and his ego. Yeah you are easy to figure out too.
So bear is correct and kudos to him, sometimes you just have to tell it like it is.