Thank you.... ummm.... experts

angel813

It is hilarious that folks keep telling me that some of coins have been cleaned by looking at photos from a digital camera. I used to help my dad with these coins and he collected them wherever he went and never bought one. They have not been cleaned in at least 45 years...ok? They have been sitting in band-aid cans and coffee cans in his ceiling for years until he died and now they are in a safe box at the bank.....take my word please...they have not been cleaned... not even with water...LOL

gmarguli

Are you aware that many hotels used to have coin cleaning services so their customers wouldn't get a dirty coin? The coins could have been cleaned by a dealer, sold, and then spent by a child/theif/desperate person.

There are many ways a coin could be cleaned. His wife could have cleaned them.

I looked at a few of your photos. At least one looks clearly cleaned.

Also, if you intend to be rude to the people you asked for help, then don't expect any future help. Go to an "expert" coin dealer in your area.

TomB

Agree with Greg completely. If everyone is so clearly wrong and you can tell immediately this is the case why do you even ask for help?

KlectorKid

i also agree, he never bought 1 then u dont know what some1 did with them and how did he get coins from the early 1800's if he never bought 1? and if some1 gave him them than they might have cleaned it.. your story is full of holes

mact

how did he "collect" the bust coin w/o buying it? Did he get it in change? Was he cruizing around the country in his buggy saving change as he went?


edit for: KK, I didn't see your post, sorry to copy

Russ

This one reminds me of the guy with the "rare" 1776 silver "coin" who refused to believe Tom after he carefully explained why it was neither rare, nor a coin.

Russ, NCNE

TheNumish

Reminds me of a story. Had a guy come into the office once with an 1804 Dollar. He was from the Phillipines or Thailand(I forget) and was very secretive about it. He whispered it had been in the family for years and years and handed down from father to son. I looked at it and it was one of those awful, awful copies. Can't even say it was counterfeit because it wouldn't fool anyone. Told him it wasn't real. Told him it had a reeded edge and the real ones don't. Then I weighed it and showed him what a real one weighed. He still didn't belive me. Then I showed him a real Bust Dollar(not an 1804). Even put it on my finger and rang it with a pen. His went thump and mine rang like silver. He then asked if I knew someone at the Smithsonian he could show it to. This took place when I lived in Wash, D.C. so the Smithsonian thing kind of made sense.

I think everyone who deals with the public has had similar things happen. It happens a lot with the Baldwin $20's. Good luck Angel813. If we ever meet maybe you can teach me the difference between a cleaned coin and an original coin. If it comes from the ceiling and was kept in a band-aid can it's original. If it's been bought in the past 45 years it's been cleaned. Makes sense to me.

jom

All the coins were in BandAid State (BS) 65 grade. True gems.

jom

itsnotjustme

Angel,
I am one of the ummm experts... that commented on your coins. You e-mailed me pictures of some. Are all the experts telling your roughly the same thing on the same coins? That 1841-O 25c is blatently cleaned. The cleaning might have occured 46, 86, or 150 years ago, but it is cleaned.

roadrunner

I agree with Itsnotjustme. The silver coins don't have a shred of toning left and would tend to indicate past cleanings. Untouched originals they are not.

roadrunner

its4real

Gee! You guys are making me feel right at home

IvanOnly

Where are the link to the pictures that he is talking about?

I could not find his post.

itsnotjustme

Original Coins

kranky

[edit] itsnotjustme beat me to it!

goose3

send 'em into PCGS or NGC and lets see!!!!!!

itsnotjustme

I know! You could go to a basket weaving sight and get their opinions.

Sorry to have to be so sarcastic, but you offered them for sale with no prices, no grades, no pictures. That says to us you know little nothing about coins, coin grades, coin values, or selling coins. Nothing wrong with not knowing... there are numerous subjects we all know little to nothing about. Of course if I thought I had a rare & valuable basket, I would learn about them before trying to sell it. You've come here and received the opinions of ummm experts. I'm sorry if you don't like them, but that doesn't make them wrong, or even hilarious.

ldhair

angel813
A cleaned coin is not that big of a deal. Most older coins have been cleaned at some point. Sure it hurts the value but they are slill valuable.

windwhispersintrees

It's impossible to make any accurate evaluation based on the photos. The image size is too small, and they're overexposed. Any statements about cleaning, condition etc. are simply assumptions, though they may be correct.

A definitive answer would need to be based on photos with better resolution and more details.

It's too bad a simple question has become an exchange that is instructive only about rudeness, rather than coin collecting.

Nic

Funny but sad to the uneducated. Maybe a lighter hand from the board...despite provocation? K

roadrunner

No ill will here. Just common sense that a bleach white, heavily circulated 1841-0 quarter has never been cleaned. And most early seated coins have been cleaned. No surprise there.

roadrunner