Lincolns: Mine are toning! What's going on?
dpoole
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I'm getting strange-looking bands and blotches of silver discoloration on a few of my Lincolns. Here's a 1938 proof, and a 1912 MS.
Any clues as to what causes this, and what can be done to slow/arrest it?
Any clues as to what causes this, and what can be done to slow/arrest it?
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I can say an Intercept shield box is supposed to stop all toning, but I never tryed it out.
Go BIG or GO HOME. ©Bill
Ken
Can't imagine that anyone would have dipped copper. But even if there are wierdos out there like that, the recent turning of the one in the green holder makes that unlikely, at least in the case of the 1938.
I gather that NCS can't do much with copper, and once this discoloration starts, there's not much to be done to reverse it.
I do worry whether this has something to do with the holders. Needless to say, I've bought a bunch of Intercept Shields from Wayne Herndon, after a related general discussion a week or two ago., and have been furiously sticking the slabs in them.
Is this silver stuff a presursor to their turning brown? Any other ideas as to the cause, solution as to arresting it? I'm hoping the Intercept Shields help!
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Sorry dpoole... the only cure.... is to give away your coins ASAP.
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Hi - Where do you keep your copper ? Do you live near the ocean ?
Do you keep silica gel within the box you store your coins ?
Are they Red ? The 1938 looks brown
What is the grade of the 1912 ?
PCGS guarantees copper !!!!!!!!.......Call them up
To me it looks like toning caused by impurities in the metal.It does not seem unattractive.Similar occurances happen with 1909 vdb's and certain other dates.Wood grain toning. Copper is delicate and stability is the primary factor to maintain copper RED.
Copper tones and that is the beuaty of it.Factors like altitude,humidity as well as exposure to light and temperature are all factors to consider.If their your babies,take care of them.If not then put them up for adoption or give them to Spooly !!!!
Don"t Freak Out
Stewart
whats the deal.
are we going to see a time when the pcgs slab is discounted because is isn't safe ?
rob.
I was hoping you'd see this one!
You can't see it in the pic, bu the 1938 is bright red with nice contrasts--except for the "woodgrain toning". The 1912 is an MS65Rd.
I got the things in safe with PILES of silica gel! I just put all of 'em in Intercept Shields today, having filled the coffers of Wayne Herndon with a panicked purchase.
Who's freaking out??? Certainly not Laz and me!
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My red PCGS cents have been stable a long time and do not worry about them. I try to buy them in the older inserted holders so I know they are holding up if possible.
I would take those cents to PCGS at the next show where you can meet them and gripe!
Good luck, dpoole!
See you in chat soon!
Get rid of PILES OF SILICA GEL That could be a cause. You only need a little bit and don't keep it next to each slab.Where do you live?I have hundreds of coppers in slabs and hardly use any silica gel
Wayne is a nice guy .He has not been around that long.Copper was kept red long before the intercept shield.I don't have a problem with the intercept shield.I have a problem with the plastic that ICG uses.How long do you think ICG will be around the way they grade coins ?
WHERE DID YOU KEEP THOSE TWO COINS ? wHY ONLY THOSE TWO COINS?yOU HAVE A COMPLETE COLLECTION.bRILLIANT PROOFS ARE DELICATE.mATTE PROOFS ARE LESS SO,BUT i DON'T UNDERSTAND THE 1912 ?
Stewart
Oreville: That makes sense. You think appeals to PCGS/NGC for discolored Lincolns in their slabs is most effectively done in person? If so, I can certainly wait for FUN.
Stewart: I live in Austin, Texas. No unusual problems with climate or weather here. Coins are in PCGS boxes (or they WERE). I exaggerated about the "piles," I've had two 4"x4" packets of silica gel per shelf in the safe. Almost all the slabs are PCGS, with a few NGC here and there. Hardly any IGC.
Have six coins showing some toning/change in the MS set, though the 1912 is the only one with this "wood grain toning" going on. I was wondering what was causing it, and what it portended.
DMWJR: according to these more hoary and honored collectors, this hasn't been a big problem for them.
In the meanwhile, I will continue to sit here and fret!
Thanks to all!
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Dave - Wood grain effect is due to the composition of the metal.It occurs very often with 1909,1909vdb,1909svdb,1910s,and 1921s to mention a few dates.
Where is the safe kept? In the basement ? What about air conditioning ? Austin is a GREAT place as well as a good climate for keeping copper
If I can be of assistance,send any coins you want me to look at to Andy,I will look at them and if you want me to take them to Long Beach,I have the ability to show them to someone at pCGS concerning the guarantee.
If you're unhappy with the 1912,sell it and get one that you like and make yourself happy. This is what collecting is about and I can and will help you.
Don"t fret as Indian cents are more prone to wood grain effect
Stewart
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Hmmph.