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Opinions on the grade of this 84-O Morgan

I'd be interested in your comments on Anna bellow image

Thanks!

Frank

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  • wild guess 65pl, but it has the tick on the nose and the toning might not make it pl.????

    matt
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  • The toning on the reverse is actually a rainbow - blue yellow red purple - it's not as dark as it appears in the picture and the mirrors shine right through.

    Frank
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    64 pl.
  • Hey, peoples! How can you tell it is PL from this pic?
  • PlacidPlacid Posts: 11,299 ✭✭✭
    Can't for sure,just making a guess. It just looks mirror like in the feilds in the picture. Might be a dmpl, might just be the picture and it's not even pl.
  • rkfishrkfish Posts: 2,617 ✭✭✭
    I would venture a guess of 64 dmpl.....
    Steve

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  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    To my mind, it is hard to imagine a DMPL without some distractions in the field, which would obviously be somewhat obscured by the toning present IN THIS IMAGE. I suspect the coin is more PL than DMPL, or at least in its present state (based on the scan). It looks relatively well struck, particularly for an "O" mint, but I believe this is the year for a better struck "O" mint. I am somewhat taken with the frostiness of the main devices, the toning looks somewhat attractive (albeit heavy - in the scan anyway) and the jaw/cheek looks relatively unscathed. Since I cannot really see the fields, which would obviously impact my opinion, given the benefit of doubt that any hairlines are obscured by the toning, the fullness of the strike, frostiness of the devices, lack of marking on the jaw/cheek and a small "knock" for the gash on the nose (let me look at it again image ), I think it is solid as a 65, maybe still PL and possibly, without any hairlines 66 and maybe still PL.
    Gilbert
  • tradedollarnuttradedollarnut Posts: 20,162 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Somewhere between AU58 and MS65 and somewhere between PL and DMPL. What more can you realistically tell from a scan? Pretty coin - that you can tell!
  • Thanks everyone for your opinions and questions.

    The coin in question is an 1884-O in a PCGS MS65DMPL holder. The mirrors are fantastic and what struck me about this coin is the cameo devices. For the price that I paid I felt that I was getting something truly unusual in a good grade. I was wondering if any of you Morgan types could tell me something about cameo prooflikes - I know you see them now and again on CC dollars, but how common or uncommon are they?

    Thanks

    Frank

    PS - I'm still tinkering with trying to get a better shot of the coin, but the best pics are too big to download and when I resize them they're not worth the effort - I'll keep trying!
  • GilbertGilbert Posts: 1,533 ✭✭✭
    The availability and/or expectation of proof-like and deep mirror proof-like vary for each year and mint. Really. There are some generalities like earlier "S" mint coins are more commonly found prooflike and that is the only generality I'm comfortable with. image Each mint basined their own dies (after receiving them from Phila), but they didn't always use the same technique. Later year Morgans are less apt to have proof-like and dmpl surfaces due to die wear. Those specimens where PL are more readily available are usually first off the die, again deteriorating from dmpl to pl to brilliant and finally lackluster. The more coins struck from a die the lower the percentage of PLs. I guess I made a few more generalizations, but again, I would be more comfortable checking availability by date and mint.
    Gilbert

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